Sack Langer

[trundler]

The bowling punches below its weight from time to time. Still a good attack, mind but they don't have that extra something NZ and India (full strength) have, at least if we're comparing both at home. Might just be damning with faint praise but sometimes they can look without solid plans. Of course, 36 ao is a fine example of when it will comes together.

On paper Australia is a team that's 3 players away from being truly special but for some reason they've under-delivered relative to that. Bad batting is key obv and I'm with Stephen and Starfighter as to why.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Yeah the 36 was as statistical oddity as India 4th innings SCG, in both extremes in terms of luck for India. While at Adelaid every false shot seemed to fetch a wicket, it was polar opposite at SCG. So I think the overall avg of bowlers in this series is indeed a fair indicator of how they have performed and Aus pacers, esp Cummins and Haselhoff have done enough to merit their standing as Premier bowlers in the world.

Can't say that about Starch or Lyon tbh.

 

[Daemon]

Starc was elite with the new ball in the first two tests. Lyon has bowled better than his figures suggest as well.

They only fell flat twice imo - the first for a period in Melbourne in the first innings and of course the second innings at the SCG. Both times a lot of it had to do with chances going down.

Overall as an attack they've been excellent, even by their own standards.

 

[honestbharani]

Cummins and Haselhoff

I thought Cummins was the attractive one?

 

[Pup Clarke]

You know the sensitivity ... our bowling isn’t a problem. I just think it’s over rated and isnt the best attack in decades or whatever. It’s reliant on Cummins. Yep great achievement with a pink ball on magic mushrooms and an Adelaide pitch still zipping on day 3 but a banged up India did just bat out time quite recently and have been doing so without their best player. As they did on their last tour as well.

Yeah I agree for the most part. Just think it needs freshening up with looking at other options i.e Neser, Abbott, Richardson (when fit)

 

[stephen]

The bowling attack is as good as any side could ever hope to have. An ATG bowler, two good quicks and a very solid spinner. If there is a criticism of Australia's bowling to be had, it's that they sometimes appear to run out of ideas when plan A doesn't work.

 

[stephen]

Yeah I agree for the most part. Just think it needs freshening up with looking at other options i.e Neser, Abbott, Richardson (when fit)

Play your best guys in every test. Especially bowlers. I don't care if Neser, Abbott and Richardson don't play a test until Starc retires, so long as our best quicks are picked every time.

It's a bit different with batsmen because experience counts more than raw skill for batsmen, so blooding a guy early gives valuable lessons.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Play your best guys in every test. Especially bowlers. I don't care if Neser, Abbott and Richardson don't play a test until Starc retires, so long as our best quicks are picked every time.

It's a bit different with batsmen because experience counts more than raw skill for batsmen, so blooding a guy early gives valuable lessons.

Ok cool that's your take. My view is that I think all three of the above are better bowlers than Starc right now. Starc a few years ago, absolutely, but right now I don't think he merits a place in the XI - and is there solely because of his test record

But that's just a hunch in all honesty

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

End Times?

Why do Aussies want to sack a man who is Elite Honest, Elite Planner & Elite Talker?

 

[honestbharani]

Elite Planner

Read it as Elite Panneer and burst out laughing here.

 

[stephen]

Ok cool that's your take. My view is that I think all three of the above are better bowlers than Starc right now. Starc a few years ago, absolutely, but right now I don't think he merits a place in the XI - and is there solely because of his test record

But that's just a hunch in all honesty

That's not what I've seen in the last few matches. He's been bowling really well for the most part, second innings in Sydney aside.

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

Read it as Elite Panneer and burst out laughing here.

That's why he is so slim.

 

[nightprowler10]

India did just bat out time quite recently and have been doing so without their best player.

Tbf, I think you should be worried about fielding discipline with that as well. I thought everyone bar Starc bowled well.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

What really irritates me so much is the vast majority of these "bin Starc, pick x random domestix bowler" comments are coming for those who don't actually follow Australian domestic cricket. Abbott and especially Neser are high quality Shield operators, but honestly there is no way I would even consider playing them ahead of Starc (Or Patt0 if fit for that matter) This time two years ago people were calling for a Chris Tremain dayboo, now his FC career is dead or at the very least comatose

Jhye is in a diffetent boat entirely, while not there right now, I do very much think he will probably be better than Starc in the longterm if his body stops failing him

 

[Pup Clarke]

What really irritates me so much is the vast majority of these "bin Starc, pick x random domestix bowler" comments are coming for those who don't actually follow Australian domestic cricket.

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A bit bemused by this as the Sheffield Shield can be accessed and broadcasted to those outside Australia...

 

[GoodAreasShane]

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A bit bemused by this as the Sheffield Shield can be accessed and broadcasted to those outside Australia...

Well yes absolutely. The comment was not aimed at you specifically, I think you are a good, generally insightful, member.

What I absolutely despise is casuals confidently proclaiming "StArC sUcKs, BiN hIm FoReVeR", despite not even making any vauge attempt to consider nuance or context

 

[Pup Clarke]

Well yes absolutely. The comment was not aimed at you specifically, I think you are a good, generally insightful, member.

What I absolutely despise is casuals confidently proclaiming "StArC sUcKs, BiN hIm FoReVeR", despite not even making any vauge attempt to consider nuance or context

That's cool mate. This is a great forum, which prompts alot of interesting discussion around many topics related to this great game

Cricket is so full of intangibles, and the beauty of this discussion is that Neser/Abbott could quite frankly suck at test match level, and that's cool with me. I really rate them as bowlers but there's no definite way of telling if they can step up. I try to offer balanced insight, alongside the odd knee-jerky post which can happen to all of us from time-to-time

 

[GoodAreasShane]

That's cool mate. This is a great forum, which prompts alot of interesting discussion around many topics related to this great game

Cricket is so full of intangibles, and the beauty of this discussion is that Neser/Abbott could quite frankly suck at test match level, and that's cool with me. I really rate them as bowlers but there's no definite way of telling if they can step up. I try to offer balanced insight, alongside the odd knee-jerky post which can happen to all of us from time-to-time

Fair enough mate. It is an interesting thought hypothetically, I admit I am somewhat of the pace über alles mindset, especially in Australia, but each to their own there

 

[Flem274*]

starc now is better than ever

im fully on board with him spending most of his career being an underperforming jammy bastard who would average 32 with less luck, but that hasn't been the case for 2 years now.

he's certainly a better bowler than pattinson and abbott. i havent seen much neser

 

[honestbharani]

I dont think any of the 3 pacers should get dropped in Australia but overseas, they do seem to chop and change a bit. Maybe they should try one of the others against the non-big 3 visitors once?