4th Test at the Gabba, Brisbane, 15 - 19 Jan 2021

[Senile Sentry]

TBH, he has a point. Playing a full season over so much time when everyone knew the lockdowns had been happening and no one was sure how these athletes' bodies will react to the workload fluctuations. I think he was making an earnest point too, not trying to score any brownie points.

Elite Honesty, perhaps.

Shami, Jadeja, Vihari - all these guys injuries have got nothing to do with IPL. Ishant played just 1 IPL match.

Langer is talking through his behind and he knows it.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Ishant got hurt training during the IPL after 1 game, and Rohit got hurt in the IPL and so joined the squad late. So that's 2 IPL injuries.

Could argue Umesh and Bumrah were overworked due to IPL as well.

Shami, Pant, Lokesh, Jadeja and Agarwal all copped external blows during matches/training on this tour.

Ishants injury could've happened during training and is hardly attributable to IPL workload per se. Its not like they do training tailored for the tournament.

Rohit's was always dodgy and we really never got to know why or how it happened.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Shami, Jadeja, Vihari - all these guys injuries have got nothing to do with IPL. Ishant played just 1 IPL match.

Langer is talking through his behind and he knows it.

I don't think he does. Regardless he has a point. Not sure if IPL is the issue but something has lead to all these injuries and it's not just "bad luck". Wonder if lockdown has had an effect but then why have the Indians suffered more injuries than the Australians.

 

[Spark]

I mean Australia suffered a bunch of injuries too, they just were luckier with timing and also they didn't have a limited squad to pick from with 14-day quarantine requirements in the way too. I think every team has had a bad run of injuries after playing their first big series after long lockdowns.

 

[Senile Sentry]

I don't think he does. Regardless he has a point. Not sure if IPL is the issue but something has lead to all these injuries and it's not just "bad luck". Wonder if lockdown has had an effect but then why have the Indians suffered more injuries than the Australians.

Something to do with being away from.home and family for nearly 6 months perhaps? Amidst all the Covid doom and gloom ?

Its a miracle that some of them haven't gone rave mad. Siraj didn't get a chance to see his father for a last time, just to put it in perspective.

Edit : only comme ting on potential mental impact on injuries.

 

[Burgey]

Something to do with being away from.home and family for nearly 6 months perhaps?

Shame they put the IPL cash ahead of family time.

 

[Spark]

Even impact injuries aren't necessarily always unavoidable. Certain failures of technique make them a lot more likely.

Well yeah but that has absolutely nothing to do with lockdowns, or the IPL, it's just mostly a function of facing Hazlewood and (especially) Cummins, who is a hit-batsman-on-gloves-and-body specialist on the order of Mitch Johnson.

Stuff like groin strains, hamstring strains, side strains etc etc are all pretty typical of suddenly playing a lot of high intensity cricket having not had the steady pre-season and early-season ramp-up in intensity in domestic FC cricket. IPL in that sense would do very little for that.

There's no doubt that Bumrah was pushed past his limits at Sydney, for example, in terms of his conditioning, and wouldn't have done so if it weren't a Test match at a critical juncture.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

What I find funny is that Australian players are in the same hotel with exactly the same conditions as the India players....but silence from them

They are poor people.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Shame they put the IPL cash ahead of family time.

I am sure their family members will disown them if they leave ipl cash for some family time .

 

[Senile Sentry]

Shame they put the IPL cash ahead of family time.

Indeed. Shame they also gave into CA's request for tour-dollars.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Something to do with being away from.home and family for nearly 6 months perhaps? Amidst all the Covid doom and gloom ?

Its a miracle that some of them haven't gone rave mad. Siraj didn't get a chance to see his father for a last time, just to put it in perspective.

Edit : only comme ting on potential mental impact on injuries.

I'm just thinking in terms of the difference in conditioning required for regular T20 matches compared to Tests, especially for bowlers. Can't help but think they'd have an easier time with fitness and preventing injury if IPL didn't exist and they were prepping for longer cricket more. Pure speculation of course.

 

[Burgey]

I'm just thinking in terms of the difference in conditioning required for regular T20 matches compared to Tests, especially for bowlers. Can't help but think they'd have an easier time with fitness and preventing injury if IPL didn't exist and they were prepping for longer cricket more. Pure speculation of course.

I'm sure there are sports science studies of these sort of things which are carried out, but the last time CA adhered to sports science they copped a bollocking for being so conservative with Cummins, and now he's the best bowler in the world.

 

[honestbharani]

I really think only the Jadeja injury was due to poor technique. Shami's one bounced more than it was normally from there and he is a proper tailender. Pant's was a ball that did not rise as high or come on as fast as it should have. I have no idea how Rahul or Mayank got injured in the nets but the type of injuries seem to indicate them being freak incidents.

The soft tissue injuries and workload related stuff definitely makes me feel they should have had a shorter IPL at least in terms of number of days, they could have played the same number of games over lesser number of days.

 

[honestbharani]

Can't help but think they'd have an easier time with fitness and preventing injury if IPL didn't exist

True but that is not a very fruitful line of thought. I definitely think at least minimizing the number of days the IPL ran for, and maybe allowing a break of a couple of weeks for the players at their homes between the IPL and the Aussie tour would have been a lot better and may well have avoided some of the soft tissue injuries, at least. And of course, the mental health could have been handled better that way too.

 

[cnerd123]

True but that is not a very fruitful line of thought. I definitely think at least minimizing the number of days the IPL ran for, and maybe allowing a break of a couple of weeks for the players at their homes between the IPL and the Aussie tour would have been a lot better and may well have avoided some of the soft tissue injuries, at least. And of course, the mental health could have been handled better that way too.

The players from straight from UAE to Australia yea? Given the circumstances in India, the BCCI probably thought that was much easier and safer (Covid-wise) than letting them return to India for a while in between.

 

[TheJediBrah]

True but that is not a very fruitful line of thought.

I'm not making any conclusions about what should and shouldn't happen or exist, just speculating on hypotheticals.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

FWIW it does seem that a bit of momentun is gathering behind a Neser dayboo as well

 

[vicleggie]

I don't know about that tbh. He's barely been hit at all, aside from Pant a few times in Sydney, and those after he had him dropped. He's going at <3 an over and has had half a dozen catches dropped over the series. If that's the most pressure he's been under in his career here, he's led a charmed life.

And even if he is under pressure, Australia's replacement spinner stock is barer than Doug Bollinger's scalp.

He'll be fine.

 

[DriveClub]

Pattinson is only 30, thought he would've been older than that

 

[Victor Ian]

Pattinson is only 30, thought he would've been older than that

His back is 64.