*Official* Pakistan in New Zealand 2020/21

[Howsie]

Sorry if this has been said but I really dislike the Mitchell selection. Same as the Windies Test he played, he is selected in seam friendly conditions and bowls 2 overs on the first day, and isn't the best batsman available. The selectors might call it 'balance' but the balance is well out of wack when you could pick a batsman (Conway) or a better seamer who can hold a bat (Bracewell).

It's a very 'he's in the squad that's what we're doing' mentality and in hindsight, I agree with Kippax that the same mentality saw Young play over Conway when if you really weighed up the best choice, it was Conway.

It’s a stupid selection, plain and simple. Winning in spite of Stead not because of him like usual.

 

[BeeGee]

Sorry if this has been said but I really dislike the Mitchell selection. Same as the Windies Test he played, he is selected in seam friendly conditions and bowls 2 overs on the first day, and isn't the best batsman available. The selectors might call it 'balance' but the balance is well out of wack when you could pick a batsman (Conway) or a better seamer who can hold a bat (Bracewell).

It's a very 'he's in the squad that's what we're doing' mentality and in hindsight, I agree with Kippax that the same mentality saw Young play over Conway when if you really weighed up the best choice, it was Conway.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Williamson just seems very reluctant to bowl Mitchell, which makes his selection pointless.

The other thing that annoyed me yesterday was Williamson's conservative "sick to the plan" captaincy. Jamieson had bowled a brilliant spell up to lunch and had Pakistan in trouble at 88/4, but instead of throwing Jamieson the ball after lunch and going for the jugular, he went for the conservative Southee - Boult combo. By the time Jamieson got the ball back Pakistan were 139/4 and Rizwan and Ali had established their partnership. A good captain knows when to be aggressive.

 

[Immenso]

Jamieson bowled an 8 over spell up to lunch. He had already gone off plan to get 3 more overs out of him which produced 2 more wickets.

To keep bowling him would have been negligent.

Kane could/should feel entitled to spell him and bowl his opening bowlers, with almost 600 wickets between them, while he rests.

 

[Flem274*]

southee and boult are the senior bowlers, kane should expect them to perform as such.

what i think we're starting to learn is, at least at home, jamieson is a level above southee and boult

 

[James]

It’s a stupid selection, plain and simple. Winning in spite of Stead not because of him like usual.

I think it's as I said earlier in the thread, there's definitely issues between Williamson, Stead and the selection panel in that they don't see eye to eye on selections and probably tactics too. Hence why I'd love to see a coaching panel of Fleming (Head), Bond and McCullum. I reckon they'd help take the team to yet another level, especially with their experience coaching in India.

 

[Kippax]

Jamieson in a post-stumps radio interview said the spring Plunket Shield version of the Kooka (slightly darker, more pronounced seam) is in use here. Seems it was NZC's longer-format ball of choice at every chance from back in October till now.

 

[Bahnz]

Jamieson in a post-stumps radio interview said the spring Plunket Shield version of the Kooka (slightly darker, more pronounced seam) is in use here. Seems it was NZC's longer-format ball of choice at every chance from back in October till now.

Ahhh, I was thinking the other day that it was unusual to still see the kookaburra still swinging a bit at over 79. Poor Jimmy Anderson, if only they’d made this ball a decade earlier he’d be an ATG.

 

[Flem274*]

as long as it doesn't give us englands flaws im cool with it. dodges the short sighted calls for the cheat ball nicely.

 

[nzfan]

Super excited to watch the black caps go about their business. Looks like Pakistan have improved from the previous game with the bat. Lots of runs scored on first day. Was it bad bowling (highly doubt it) or better batting skills from Pakistan?

Some things haven't changed by the looks, Kane's batting and collective effort of the bowling unit. Obviously special effort from Jamieson. Boy the man is such a consistent wicket taker. I didn't see this coming a season ago.

Interesting choice of picking Matt Henry but he's always been in the reckoning.

Why is Santner not playing? If Darryl is going to bowl 5-10 overs in a test match what's the point in picking him. From the scores and highlights from the first test Santner did the job real well. Don't know why he wasn't persisted. His batting from the highlights looked real good. He may not be better than Mitchell but not worse by far from him.

Pakistan a much better touring side than India going by the scores so far.

 

[nzfan]

Kane is our best batter ever (don't think anyone can replace sir Richard as the best player ever) but the only thing I don't like about him is his stubbornness to not use the 5th bowler well enough. Whether it is ajaz, Santner and now Mitchell he's very reluctant to give them reasonable opportunities to bowl longer spells.

Even Daniel vettori had to bowl like 12-13 overs to pick a wicket over his test career.

In that case they were better off playing Conway or Young.

If you don't need a 5th bowler why play them just for the sake of it?

 

[Flem274*]

kane loves cdg. i think he just does not rate spinners at all unless we're bowling in asia and probably thinks mitchell's bowling sucks too.

in the case of mitchell santner kane is 100% correct.

 

[nzfan]

kane loves cdg. i think he just does not rate spinners at all unless we're bowling in asia and probably thinks mitchell's bowling sucks too.

in the case of mitchell santner kane is 100% correct.

How does he know, he doesn't play first class much and unless you give guys a reasonable go how are they going to justify their selection?

Out of curiosity checked the spells Santner bowled last test match and he's bowled like 3-5 overs spell at the most.

Eventually he picked the last two wickets didn't he? If he can bowl tight and if that's all is required of 5th bowler them why not persist with him?

 

[hendrix]

Jamieson in a post-stumps radio interview said the spring Plunket Shield version of the Kooka (slightly darker, more pronounced seam) is in use here. Seems it was NZC's longer-format ball of choice at every chance from back in October till now.

I used to be keen on this but not sure how I feel about it now.

Our bowlers are already the best in the world in our conditions. No need to make it more of a lottery IMO.

 

[Flem274*]

How does he know, he doesn't play first class much and unless you give guys a reasonable go how are they going to justify their selection?

Out of curiosity checked the spells Santner bowled last test match and he's bowled like 3-5 overs spell at the most.

Eventually he picked the last two wickets didn't he? If he can bowl tight and if that's all is required of 5th bowler them why not persist with him?

mate i hate to pull this card but you didn't see the game. santa did not deliver, and getting a couple of tailenders out doesn't redeem him much.

good white ball player but unless he gets drastically better with bat or ball his test career is over.

 

[trundler]

More teasing from Abbas. Get a big haul already.

 

[Flem274*]

pakistan look very omnious

 

[hendrix]

massive challenge for Latham, this

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I used to be keen on this but not sure how I feel about it now.

Our bowlers are already the best in the world in our conditions. No need to make it more of a lottery IMO.

Weird that Boult has seemingly got less movement with it than the old ball, from what I’ve noticed ...

 

[hendrix]

mate i hate to pull this card but you didn't see the game. santa did not deliver, and getting a couple of tailenders out doesn't redeem him much.

good white ball player but unless he gets drastically better with bat or ball his test career is over.

OK so who is better?

No question he's not world class. But who do we have instead?

Think He's likely the best cricketer we have for that allrounder slot. Maybe Kuggs is competition.

 

[hendrix]

Weird that Boult has seemingly got less movement with it than the old ball, from what I’ve noticed ...

Boult's wrist position/seam presentation has deteriorated a bit. Needs a bit of work with Bond or someone