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1st Test, Aus vs India, Adelaide oval 17th-21st December

Spark

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Nah, Rabada's the real deal, but I can remember after his brilliant start the predictions that he would somehow get even better, which I called as being a bit overblown.
He's very good but @Slifer is talking about the SA attack as if it's blasted away every batting order it's come across and is basically unplayable. Its actual results over the last few years have been some distance short of that, mostly because Philander and Morkel retiring has left little established support for Rabada and he can't do it all alone.
 

Spark

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If Rahane does not perform for the rest of the series, do India cut their losses and replace him permanently? For far too long he's held his place in the team as some sort of overseas specialist and guys like Karun Nair who has a much higher ceiling, at least at home, has not been given a fair chance. I've always been on the Nair hype train and imo he's been treated very harshly by the selectors.
You do realise he averages over 40 in Tests with a double digit number hundreds, yes? Those players don't grow on trees. He'd be one of the last players I'd look at replacing.
 

OverratedSanity

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You do realise he averages over 40 in Tests with a double digit number hundreds, yes? Those players don't grow on trees. He'd be one of the last players I'd look at replacing.
It's held up by an excellent first 3 years. Apart from a productive 2019, he's been utterly mediocre. Probably true that he's still better than anyone not named Pujara or kohli though.
 

Daemon

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No need to rush a replacement for him just yet. Still easily the 3rd best batsman in the side away from home.
 

Bahseph

International Debutant
SA's attack is a long way behind Australia and England's for mine.
As it stands I absolutely agree. Rabada is class,and Maharaj is the best spinner we have had post isolation(Ahead of notable Test spinners like Harris,Boje,Tahir etc. I kid,he can bowl). But I don't think anyone knows who the next two bowlers are now. Ngidi has fitness issues and Nortje has gas but is unproven. So this argument is fair.
 

Spark

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Sure I don't disagree. I just don't think he's earned the right to be considered undroppable on the back of one good year where almost everyone in the lineup also got loads of runs.
I mean in this context he is absolutely undroppable. You've just lost your best batsman and have three relative (or actual) newbies in top six; considering dropping your second most experienced batsman and one who has scored runs in Australia before is crazy talk.
 

OverratedSanity

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I mean in this context he is absolutely undroppable. You've just lost your best batsman and have three relative (or actual) newbies in top six; considering dropping your second most experienced batsman and one who has scored runs in Australia before is crazy talk.
Op was about dropping him if he fails the rest of the series. Dropping him midway would be madness but if he does nothing the remaining games...?
 

Spark

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Op was about dropping him if he fails the rest of the series. Dropping him midway would be madness but if he does nothing the remaining games...?
I'd still consider it pretty mad tbh, unless you literally want to throw out everyone but Kohli and Pujara.
 

Slifer

International Captain
I mean they couldn't do the same with a very fragile English batting line up, so...
But for sloppy fielding, Australia would've barely made it pass 100 in this test. They'd be playing RSA away. Say what you want about RSA but their bowling has owned Australia's batting in their most recent encounters. Rabada, Duane, Ngidi and co , I fully expect them to castle this aussie batting line up. FWIW, more than another else, it was South Africa's batting that's let them down recently...
 

morgieb

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Say what you want about RSA but their bowling has owned Australia's batting in their most recent encounters
How many of those bowlers are still playing though? Yes Rabada's still there but Morkel, Abbott and Philander (as well as Steyn who didn't really play in those series) are no longer playing international cricket. Neither is Olivier. Ngidi and Nortje are good but they're clearly a step down from those guys IMO. I don't think it'll be a complete Aussie domination with the bat but I definitely think we'll still score enough runs for that series. The comparison to this Test is irrelevant AFAIC, India's bowling attack in this Test is well ahead of South Africa's current one (and that assumes full fitness).
 

Spark

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Batting was also clearly quite hard in this Test. I mean, one side got rolled for 36! It's not representative of what you'd expect in most conditions.

But for sloppy fielding, Australia would've barely made it pass 100 in this test. They'd be playing RSA away. Say what you want about RSA but their bowling has owned Australia's batting in their most recent encounters. Rabada, Duane, Ngidi and co , I fully expect them to castle this aussie batting line up. FWIW, more than another else, it was South Africa's batting that's let them down recently...
Did you actually watch that series vs England? I don't see how you could characterise the bowling by SA in that series, bowling to an inexperienced and highly unproven at best England lineup, as the bowling of a team that is about to blast teams away for sub 100 scores.

I mean, you can wishcast Smith, Labuschagne and Warner as useless hacks who'll never score a run in SA, but no one is obliged to take it seriously. Philander, Morkel and Steyn were magnificent bowlers fully capable of blasting sides away. Beuran Hendricks and Dane Paterson, not so much. Even Rabada has fallen away somewhat in the last two years. I get the feeling you're going a lot off reputation and not on, you know, actual results and the actual cricket played in the last two years.
 
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Gob

International Coach
But for sloppy fielding, Australia would've barely made it pass 100 in this test. They'd be playing RSA away. Say what you want about RSA but their bowling has owned Australia's batting in their most recent encounters. Rabada, Duane, Ngidi and co , I fully expect them to castle this aussie batting line up. FWIW, more than another else, it was South Africa's batting that's let them down recently...
Australia have 3 batsmen among the ICC top ten.
 

Flem274*

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i don't think slifer is calling the australian batting bad, but he's wrong if he thinks this south african bowling line up has the zing of yesteryear, and i rate nortje
 

Spark

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i don't think slifer is calling the australian batting bad, but he's wrong if he thinks this south african bowling line up has the zing of yesteryear, and i rate nortje
Yeah I think Nortje and Ngidi are decent prospects. But they're not Philander, Steyn, and Morkel -- and even then, it took, uh, a lot of external factors going on for SA to win their first home series against Aus since readmission.
 

Gob

International Coach
If Australia don't win in SA, I'd be pretty disappointed. I think Aus haven't won an away series since 2016. That's certainly not good for a team with so many great individuals
 

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