*Official* Pakistan in New Zealand 2020/21

[nzfan]

I've just moved on from the WI series already, it's done and dusted I suppose today at some point in time unless Holder and Da Silva can pull off Dravid/Laxman vs Aussie earlier this century but the quota of such batting for the century is already done so won't likely repeat.

Going by the first test scheduled at Bay we will need a spinner. Whether it comes in the form of Santner or Sodhi (if he picks up loads of wickets in the on going A game) that's fine I suppose unless Ajaz is ready to go by then. We have enough batting with Jamieson now batting as good as a no.6 not a tail ender and no point in picking blokes that are batsmen but can roll their arm. We need spinners that can attack and take wickets. I think Yasir Shah would be a threat for us at Bay if the sun continues to shine and the pitch drys ups considerably over the next few days.

 

[Immenso]

Still trying to understand the rationale behind having Todd Astle in the T20s mix. He's not bad at all but that's not what I'm getting to. If Ross Taylor's age was a concern as pointed out by Larsen then what's Astle doing in this team? He's 34, not 24.

He's bowled as many as 11 overs in T20s in the last two seasons including domestic and international.


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Happy to give credit to NZ selections and management in general but I can't quite figure how Todd Astle ended up in the T20 side. Does coming from Canterbury help the cause

I'd say simply because the next T20 word champs is in India in less than a year, simple as that, last time we used 3 spinners (quite successfully IIRC), that's the timeframe they are working on with Astle.

 

[nzfan]

I'd say simply because the next T20 word champs is in India in less than a year, simple as that, last time we used 3 spinners (quite successfully IIRC), that's the timeframe they are working on with Astle.

On that note isn't Taylor a better bet to play spin in India in comparison to Guptill, Seifert, Phillips, Neesham and Conway? Conway may be all right but we know Guptill, Seifert, Neesham and Phillips struggle a bit vs spin. Although to be fair expecting every deck in India to turn is a bit of a stretch. It'll generally be flat with maybe one or two pitches offering some spin. If the selections are consistent then maybe only Kane and Chapman are two guys that are real good against spin unless they're going to start picking Latham and Nicholls for T20 sides as well.

 

[Immenso]

Yes. I would take Taylor. He may not make the 11 though. But, I would take this opportunity to play some of the other younger guys.

They're going to play at least 2 spinners, plus 1 reserve.

Last time we payed all 3, but this time Sodhi 2020 is worse than Sodhi 2016, Santner about the same, Astle worse that NcCullum. So I reckopn will play 2, with 1 extra in the squad.

So Astle will almost definitely go, unless he is awful, so we need to find out.

He may pass Sodhi, or he may play himself out entirely. That's how up in the air the spinners spots are (mostly due to Sodhi's decline).

 

[nzfan]

I feel the super smash will throw couple of guys in the mix this year. There's bound to be someone that will find very good form with the bat and ball. Just hoping Black Caps are open to changes and not keep on recycling the same players despite knowing there are better players in the domestic mix. The older players will clinge on to T20s in the hope they will get gigs around the world for T20s blocking up and coming talents.

As hard as it sounds they should shut the door on Taylor and move on for the good of NZ cricket. He's needed for the test matches and the one dayers. He's still capable of being better than most of the newbies but probably helps NZ cricket if he plays one or two formats at most.

 

[Bahnz]

We have enough batting with Jamieson now batting as good as a no.6 not a tail ender and no point in picking blokes that are batsmen but can roll their arm. We need spinners that can attack and take wickets. I think Yasir Shah would be a threat for us at Bay if the sun continues to shine and the pitch drys ups considerably over the next few days.

Don't disagree about poteentially needing a spinner at Tauranga, but it's a bit too early to say that Jamieson's batting as good as a number 6. The guy averages 20 in FC cricket. He's had a good first few tests, but the technical experts will already be reviewing the footage of him looking for weaknesses (which WI might've already spotted on Saturday). Anything above number 8 is serious nosebleed territory for him at this stage.

 

[nzfan]

Don't disagree about poteentially needing a spinner at Tauranga, but it's a bit too early to say that Jamieson's batting as good as a number 6. The guy averages 20 in FC cricket. He's had a good first few tests, but the technical experts will already be reviewing the footage of him looking for weaknesses (which WI might've already spotted on Saturday). Anything above number 8 is serious nosebleed territory for him at this stage.

Maybe but remember he started out as a batsman when he was young. Two years ago NZC clearly had him as an all rounder vs Pak A in UAE. Likewise he'll be working on his batting as well to tighten the technique a bit. Haven't seen enough of him batting against spin but he can definitely play pace, no doubt about that. I don't think he's going to be Stokes, no but there's no reason why he can't be a CDG in the long run and bat at no.7

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Don't disagree about poteentially needing a spinner at Tauranga, but it's a bit too early to say that Jamieson's batting as good as a number 6. The guy averages 20 in FC cricket. He's had a good first few tests, but the technical experts will already be reviewing the footage of him looking for weaknesses (which WI might've already spotted on Saturday). Anything above number 8 is serious nosebleed territory for him at this stage.

Yeah my worry is the Southee-ish hype will make him bat like Southee for his career.

 

[Flem274*]

literally could not give a single **** about jamieson batting higher than #8 until he's one of the best bowlers in the world.

we don't need more james franklin and doug bracewell experiences.

 

[Athlai]

We are 1st = best team in the world. Never thought I'd see the day

 

[Flem274*]

We are 1st = best team in the world. Never thought I'd see the day

let's make it first outright and savour the big three tears.

but we beat each other all the time and lose series everywhere else, the universe revolves around us boohoo it's not fair

 

[Daemon]

congrats NewZeland

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

Guptill
Latham
Ross
Kane
BJ Watling
Boult
Southee
Wagner
Jamieson*

NZ has at least 8 active National ATGs. Most in any Team.

Other sides have 1 to 4 ATG.
Pak , 1 (Babar)
WI , 1 (Holder)
SA , 2 (QDK , Rabada)
Eng , 4 (Root , Stokes , Broad , Anderson)
Ind , 4 (Kohli , Rohit , Pujara , Ashwin)
Aus , 4 (Smith , Warner , Starc , Cummins)

 

[Athlai]

Guptill
Latham
Ross
Kane
Boult
Southee
Wagner
Jamieson*

NZ has at least 7 active National ATGs. Most in any Team.

Other sides have 1 to 4 ATG.
Pak , 1 (Babar)
WI , 1 (Holder)
SA , 2 (QDK , Rabada)
Eng , 4 (Root , Stokes , Broad , Anderson)
Ind , 4 (Kohli , Rohit , Pujara , Ashwin)
Aus , 4 (Smith , Warner , Starc , Cummins)

You forgot Watling

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

You forgot Watling

added to that List

 

[nzfan]

Guptill
Latham
Ross
Kane
BJ Watling
Boult
Southee
Wagner
Jamieson*

NZ has at least 8 active National ATGs. Most in any Team.

Other sides have 1 to 4 ATG.
Pak , 1 (Babar)
WI , 1 (Holder)
SA , 2 (QDK , Rabada)
Eng , 4 (Root , Stokes , Broad , Anderson)
Ind , 4 (Kohli , Rohit , Pujara , Ashwin)
Aus , 4 (Smith , Warner , Starc , Cummins)

Yasir Shah? He's one of the best going around.

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

firstly, let him take his 1st wicket in NZ.

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

mods , plz Pin this Thread

 

[straw man]

also plz correct the title to
*Official* pak Istn in NewZeland 2020/21

 

[straw man]

Awesome this starts Friday, didn't realise so soon.