***Official*** India's Tour of Australia 2020/21 - General discussion

[Arachnodouche]

I never got the hype over Pattinson either. Yes, maybe, when he was very young, but he's looked distinctly first-change at best in every one of his comebacks since.

In any case, Lyon's more liable to cause us headaches on a consistent basis than the seamers.

 

[Flem274*]

with shady and bambino here. pattinson's trading on what he was ten years ago, and county wickets don't count lol.

nowadays he's 138kph outswing which is fine. he's still got the tools to be a test bowler but starc has been comfortably outbowling him. pattinson's bowling "unlucky" length, getting plays and misses instead of edges because he's not quite full enough.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

with shady and bambino here. pattinson's trading on what he was ten years ago, and county wickets don't count lol.

nowadays he's 138kph outswing which is fine. he's still got the tools to be a test bowler but starc has been comfortably outbowling him. pattinson's bowling "unlucky" length, getting plays and misses instead of edges because he's not quite full enough.

Pretty much this. Starc is better than Pattinson these days but Pattinson is by no means a spent force, still have him a good level above the Neser/Abbott/x form Shield bowler tier

 

[Prince EWS]

My takeaway from Pattinson's last stint in Tests in that he wasn't quite accurate enough for what he had become with his slight reduction in average pace (at least in terms of being better than Starc; he's still a gun).

I absolutely do not have strong feelings on it though. If Starc was dropped for Patto then meh. Got depth, use it, I suppose. That decision is well within the bounds of what I consider too close to jump up and down criticising. Much more important selection decisions to focus on than which of your four world class quicks doesn't play.

 

[Shady Slim]

patto wasn't even born in SA so i don't get why GAS is insisting on pumping his tyres tbh ?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

patto wasn't even born in SA so i don't get why GAS is insisting on pumping his tyres tbh ?

How so? I said I would have Starc ahead these days

 

[Burgey]

I never got the hype over Pattinson either. Yes, maybe, when he was very young, but he's looked distinctly first-change at best in every one of his comebacks since.

In any case, Lyon's more liable to cause us headaches on a consistent basis than the seamers.

if Haze bowls anything like he did in England it’ll be a nightmare

 

[Cruxdude]

Where to watch this in the US?

 

[Shady Slim]

How so? I said I would have Starc ahead these days

nonzero chance i'm floating the posting equivalent of half-trackers out rn to distract myself from exam study

 

[GoodAreasShane]

nonzero chance i'm floating the posting equivalent of half-trackers out rn to distract myself from exam study

Ehhhhhh fair enough.

Either way it's a good sign that this debate is even a thing, nice to have pace options

 

[Prince EWS]

Ehhhhhh fair enough.

Either way it's a good sign that this debate is even a thing, nice to have pace options

Yeah pace options often descend into "picking the blokes we rate who are fit this week" pretty quickly, which does make having options great, because if you don't have them you end up with blokes you don't rate playing instead.

I think it's pretty obvious (in Australian conditions at least) who the best four quicks are, and Cummins aside who is a bit special I'm happy to pick them based on form and fitness, and even happy to just disagree with the selectors on the day and move on. If Haze was dropped for Neser (who I rate highly, don't get me wrong) in Australia, then that would be something to complain about.

 

[stephen]

Yeah Pattinson is no longer a 150+ bowler, which he was as recently as 2017. He's still excellent but having lost 10 kms after his back surgery he's now top notch bench strength rather than first picked when fit.

That stretch of bowling before his back surgery was ridiculous. He was attacking and took a lot of wickets through bowled and lbw, including demolishing some really good shield attacks at the time.

It's a shame his back was so dodgy.

 

[Nintendo]

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India better watch out, Smith has found his hands!

 

[aussie tragic]

Let's hope he doesn't run out of tape

But there other intricacies that only Smith can see and feel, such as the need to tape his boot laces beneath the bottom flaps of his pads so they aren't in his eyeline when he looks down that the crease in his batting stance.

 

[Burgey]

Off to the first ODI with Burgeinho on Friday arvo, should be good fun.

 

[Daemon]

Let's hope he doesn't run out of tape

But there other intricacies that only Smith can see and feel, such as the need to tape his boot laces beneath the bottom flaps of his pads so they aren't in his eyeline when he looks down that the crease in his batting stance.

lol he's so odd

 

[aussie tragic]

So the good news is that the last time India toured Australia, the followng was the main 1-6 batting line up

Finch
Harris
Khawaja
S. Marsh
Head
Handscomb/M. Marsh

The batting order will now be completely different with Warner, Smith and Labuschagne obviously being a class above all of the previous.

However the sobering thought is that the bowlers are exactly the same (and bowlers win matches don't they?)

 

[Nintendo]

So the good news is that the last time India toured Australia, the followng was the main 1-6 batting line up

Finch
Harris
Khawaja
S. Marsh
Head
Handscomb/M. Marsh

The batting order will now be completely different with Warner, Smith and Labuschagne obviously being a class above all of the previous.

However the sobering thought is that the bowlers are exactly the same (and bowlers win matches don't they?)

To be fair, the bowlers have a years worth of experience playing as a unit together over last time, and starc seems to not be spraying the ball all over the place in test (probably jinxed it.) So wouldn't say bowlers are "exactly the same."

 

[Burgey]

To be fair, they're far more likely to have a decent total to bowl to.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah, the effect of a good batting side on the bowling can never really be underestimated. Even the greatest bowlers can't keep doing the job day in and day out, if your batsmen keep letting you down. Which is why I think historically, we have to be kinder while rating bowlers who had to play for teams with **** batting line ups.