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Test dream team from each nation. 1970-2020

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Are we pretending that WSC did not matter here? I understand not rating Barry Richards coz he did not play enough test cricket but to imply someone like Mark Waugh can be at his level is really not very factual, is it?
 

Coronis

International Coach
Basically everyone (elite first class and test cricketers) from that era who played against or with him (in tests, WSC or FC cricket in Eng or Aus), testify to how absolutely good he was. If you've read anything from that era beyond statsguru it becomes pretty apparent just how good he was.
So? Don’t we see all the time ex players rating certain people highly and above others that are clearly superior? There's no denying Barry Richards was an enormous talent and its unfortunate we didn't get to see him show it off at the test level more. However I'm not going to pick him in an all time test XI when there are other options available.
 

jimmy101

Cricketer Of The Year
Basically everyone would also probably have said the same things for Mark Waugh if his international career had been curtailed for no fault of his own. Actually quite staggering that you guys don't get that.

Would always have Barry ahead of most openers in my XIs but won't pretend there isn't plenty of uncertainty to go around
I understand what you're saying mate, but if that was the case for M Waugh I would take joy in researching what kind of player he was, rather than forming a quick & easy opinion centred around a few numbers separated by a decimal point.

As an aside, if I wanted to find out who were the best XI players in my local cricket competition, but was unable to see any of them play in the flesh, I feel taking note of the opinions of the players & umpires which were on ground zero for each & every match in which they played would far outweigh the opinion of the man who cobbled together a bunch of statistics from scorecards printed in the local newspaper.
 

Slifer

International Captain
West Indies:

1st

Greenidge
Gayle
Viv
Lara
Lloyd*
Sobers
Dujon+
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Garner

2nd

Haynes
Fredricks
Richardson*
Kallicharan
Rowe
Chanderpaul
Jacobs+
Bishop
Roberts
Croft
Walsh

Gayle > Haynes any day of the week. Gayle was at least half decent outside the WI. As for which overall team is the best, well IMO without Bradman, WI just about edges Australia.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
West Indies:

1st

Greenidge
Gayle
Viv
Lara
Lloyd*
Sobers
Dujon+
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Garner

2nd

Haynes
Fredricks
Richardson*
Kallicharan
Rowe
Chanderpaul
Jacobs+
Bishop
Roberts
Croft
Walsh

Gayle > Haynes any day of the week. Gayle was at least half decent outside the WI. As for which overall team is the best, well IMO without Bradman, WI just about edges Australia.
I have a lot of time for Bishop (and he perhaps my favourite commentator) but Holder imo for the 2nd XI.
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
West Indies:

1st

Greenidge
Gayle
Viv
Lara
Lloyd*
Sobers
Dujon+
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Garner

2nd

Haynes
Fredricks
Richardson*
Kallicharan
Rowe
Chanderpaul
Jacobs+
Bishop
Roberts
Croft
Walsh

Gayle > Haynes any day of the week. Gayle was at least half decent outside the WI. As for which overall team is the best, well IMO without Bradman, WI just about edges Australia.
If Sobers qualifies, surely you'd have Kanhai in there somewhere as well. Probably he'd make the first XI ahead of Lloyd.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Basically everyone (elite first class and test cricketers) from that era who played against or with him (in tests, WSC or FC cricket in Eng or Aus), testify to how absolutely good he was. If you've read anything from that era beyond statsguru it becomes pretty apparent just how good he was.
who gives a ****. these same old blokes commentate on current games and we usually think their opinions are awful. the same people who swear barry richards was some all conquering god are the same goobs who give us channel 9 world elevens.

barry richards may have been a great player, but im not going to take the word of an ex player on it.
 

Flem274*

123/5
holder's probably the first player in a long time who can push for the west indian all time side if he keeps it up. might not have the *** appeal of four 150kph merchants but a bowling allrounder averaging 25 with the ball and 30 with the bat still draws my eye. i love his bounce and channel, and he's so much fun to watch in general.
 

OverratedSanity

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Its not even that anyone really disagrees that Barry Richards was a great player. But the insistence on bring him him up when we're specifically talking about all time Test XIs is truly baffling.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Its not even that anyone really disagrees that Barry Richards was a great player. But the insistence on bring him him up when we're specifically talking about all time Test XIs is truly baffling.
This is "Dream" Test XI. If performance in Tests is a stipulated criteria then clearly he doesn't get in. If I'm picking a dream XI with no specified criteria then I'm picking who I consider to be the best players.
In fact the only stipulation the OP makes is peaking in the 70's and beyond and he says he omitted Sobers himself for that reason. Yet halfway through the thread Sobers crept in.
 

Slifer

International Captain
I have a lot of time for Bishop (and he perhaps my favourite commentator) but Holder imo for the 2nd XI.
Even though Holder is probably overall a better package, he is heavily reliant on home conditions. Bishop was effective home and away. Besides I try to avoid using players still playing. Unless you're someone like Steve Smith who's so awesome, you just can't overlook them...
 

trundler

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Hilarious to think England have played like 600 tests in this period yet don't have a proper #3. And neither opening bowler can claim to be the best in the world at any point during his career.
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Hilarious to think England have played like 600 tests in this period yet don't have a proper #3. And neither opening bowler can claim to be the best in the world at any point during his career.
Gower was a good player. Slightly inconsistent perhaps, but a good player.

Agree about the pace attack. Anderson was maybe second best at some point I think, although obviously he needs the ideal conditions.
 

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