The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[trundler]

Yeah I'm not saying Headley is on their level just saying Smith and Bradman are the only ones who have managed a rate of a ton every 2 games for a long period of tests. And that Headley happened to do it as well over his far shorter career but he's not relevant to my argument

Weekes, Walcott, and Chappell had insane conversation rates too. Sanga's numbers as specialist bat would have to be up there too. Somebody else run the numbers tho.

 

[Daemon]

I like it raw too

 

[honestbharani]

Nah i just wanted to keep it raw but we've entered the slicing up of career arguments

lol... but my post did none of that. I was simply pointing out his Ashes 2019 performance was a level or two above his 2017 India performance. I am not even comparing him to anyone when I say that... Yet you see the need to view it as an half empty cup.

 

[trundler]

Nah i just wanted to keep it raw but we've entered the slicing up of career arguments

8 vs 24 years isn't fair.

 

[bagapath]

Fourth XI from the last 50 years

Gooch (Gavaskar, Greenidge, Smith)
Langer (Sehwag, Hayden, Boycott)
Dravid (Viv Richards, Ponting, Sangakara)
G Chappell (Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis)
MJ Clarke (S Waugh, ABDV, Chanderpal)
Stokes (Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev) - all rounder
Marsh (Gilchrist, Knott, Healy) +
Holding (Marshall, Ambrose, Lillee)
Waqar (Akram, Steyn, Donald)
Roberts (Hadlee, McGrath, Garner)
Bedi (Warne, Murali, Kumble)

 

[mr_mister]

Weekes, Walcott, and Chappell had insane conversation rates too. Sanga's numbers as specialist bat would have to be up there too. Somebody else run the numbers tho.

Even Weekes n Walcott only managed like 15 each though

In terms of coming close to 26 in 56 tests it could only be Sanga n Sobers i think which might have pulled it off

 

[aussie tragic]

Well he hit 26 tons in 56 tests from his first to his most recent so let's go with that number. Has anyone hit more than 20 in 56 tests discounting Bradman?

Well it's actually 26 Tons in 73 Tests, keeping it raw, fantastic achievement with only Bradman, Headley and Walcott ahead of him in Tons per innings %

 

[Teja.]

Well he hit 26 tons in 56 tests from his first to his most recent so let's go with that number. Has anyone hit more than 20 in 56 tests discounting Bradman?

I haven't even fine tuned the perfect possible match to match search but here's Tendulkar with 21 in 60 from the years 1992 to 1999 in a harder era for batting.

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[mr_mister]

lol... but my post did none of that. I was simply pointing out his Ashes 2019 performance was a level or two above his 2017 India performance. I am not even comparing him to anyone when I say that... Yet you see the need to view it as an half empty cup.

Was that plus trundlers comments discounting the 2014/15 series that made me make my post. CW at the time was going mental over both those performances so it annoyed me to see them both swept under the rug

 

[trundler]

Even Weekes n Walcott only managed like 15 each though

In terms of coming close to 26 in 56 tests it could only be Sanga n Sobers i think which might have pulled it off

Played a decade each and averaged high 50s though. That's longer than Smith. The year/match conversion does muddy things up drastically, I admit.

When you look at those fastest to X thousand runs, Smith comes off looking rather impressive but he isn't that far ahead to knock it out of the park, away from guys like Tendulkar and Hammond who did it much longer. You may see it differently.

 

[mr_mister]

Well it's actually 26 Tons in 73 Tests, keeping it raw, fantastic achievement with only Bradman, Headley and Walcott ahead of him in Tons per innings %

And realistically he had an impossible chance at scoring tons down at 8 in the early years

 

[Daemon]

Was 14/15 the series where we played Aaron and Karn Sharma?

 

[trundler]

Was that plus trundlers comments discounting the 2014/15 series that made me make my post. CW at the time was going mental over both those performances so it annoyed me to see them both swept under the rug

No 2014/15 was epic but the other 2 were ATG. Nitpicking admittedly but you said the Indian attack was one of the strongest. Fantastic achievement nonetheless, given how much Gavaskar's and Viv's 700+ series on roads against less than great attacks are celebrated.

 

[mr_mister]

@Daemon Dunno i just remember being impressed by Kohli and Smith going ton for ton

 

[trundler]

Fourth XI from the last 50 years

Gooch (Gavaskar, Greenidge, Smith)
Langer (Sehwag, Hayden, Boycott)
Dravid (Viv Richards, Ponting, Sangakara)
G Chappell (Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis)
MJ Clarke (S Waugh, ABDV, Chanderpal)
Stokes (Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev) - all rounder
Marsh (Gilchrist, Knott, Healy) +
Holding (Marshall, Ambrose, Lillee)
Waqar (Akram, Steyn, Donald)
Roberts (Hadlee, McGrath, Garner)
Bedi (Warne, Murali, Kumble)

Not enough Younis Khan.

 

[trundler]

And realistically he had an impossible chance at scoring tons down at 8 in the early years

Sobers too

 

[Magrat Garlick]

the no8 thing would have been a point if he didn't keep getting out there

 

[OverratedSanity]

Hope Smith plays another 300 tests and averages a consistently mediocre 50, taking his overall average down to a measly 52 thus eliminating himself from the GOAT after Bradman debate forever.

 

[mr_mister]

if he's still averaging 60 after 100 tests i think he's done enough

 

[srbhkshk]

I haven't even fine tuned the perfect possible match to match search but here's Tendulkar with 21 in 60 from the years 1992 to 1999 in a harder era for batting.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Tendulkar has 2 such periods

34th - 93rd test - 22 centuries [60 tests]
54th - 112th test - 22 centuries [59 tests]