Jimmy Anderson

[Pothas]

Having Anderson in a team of the decade is not even slightly controversial though is it.

 

[honestbharani]

Steyn, Cummins, and Rabada. Cummins debuted in 2011 against South Africa, got a 6-fer in the 3rd innings, got MotM, and was subsequently dropped till 2017

Yeah I meant Steyn as the leader of the attack is a given. But I do not see why you won't pick Anderson as the #2 seamer. He is the obvious choice. Cummins was injured for 6 of the 10 years. Rabada debuted in 2015 and you can still pick 3 seamers.

 

[Neptune]

No


Yes

I demand you leave the thread you absolute travesty of a man.

 

[harsh.ag]

@Adders - Why would I want Anderson over any of those 3?

 

[Adders]

Lol @ Cummins being dropped for 6 years

 

[Neptune]

Lol @ Cummins being dropped for 6 years

Now there’s a fella who’s seriously overrated on this website.

 

[srbhkshk]

Why does Rabada get a free pass on being trash away? He was pathetic in the last Ind-SA series.

 

[Neptune]

Why does Rabada get a free pass on being trash away? He was pathetic in the last Ind-SA series.

He was also pretty shite in the England series too.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Smh @ harsh. Ruining all the good work done by others in the anti anderson brigade who were making making reasonable points.

 

[trundler]

Is this right? and if so isn't it slightly weirded out by that most of the Tests he missed wasn't for "managing workload" reasons, but because he was picked on potential early, given taster Tests against things like an Andy Flower-less Zimbabwe, and sent down to county for a few years?

The stat is right. It's about 69% (heh) or 156/224. For Walsh it's 132/141 and for Hadlee 86/100. The point about him being picked too early is fair but Walsh is streets ahead and Hadlee was a fair bit sharper so there's that. I'll throw Kapil and McGrath in the hat too. Kapil missed only 1 and McGrath AFAIK still has the record for most consecutive tests for a specialist pacer (52).

 

[Magrat Garlick]

The stat is right. It's about 69% (heh) or 156/224. For Walsh it's 132/141 and for Hadlee 86/100. The point about him being picked too early is fair but Walsh is streets ahead and Hadlee was a fair bit sharper so there's that. I'll throw Kapil and McGrath in the hat too. Kapil missed only 1 and McCurdy AFAK still has the record for most consecutive tests for a specialist pacer (52).

incredible work from the autocorrect transforming Glenn McGrath into Rod McCurdy.

 

[vcs]

He was injured most of that time

EDIT : meant Cummins between 2011-2017

 

[andruid]

Fate? More like... Destiny

Why has such fate befallen you

 

[Pothas]

Why does Rabada get a free pass on being trash away? He was pathetic in the last Ind-SA series.

Everyone makes it about his away performances but basically I think it is his overall average that costs him on here. Take away those first few years and say he averages 24, his away record would be discussed as a reason why he is not in the absolute elite tier or whatever but he would be automatically accepted in the next level.

 

[trundler]

Overall average has a lot to do with when you get picked. Smith wouldn't average 60 if they'd kept picking him when he was still a hack. But Ponting would've if he'd retired earlier. Getting picked while not being very good because your team doesn't have many options taking away

 

[the big bambino]

the case is that while he has had some good overseas performances (such as, as mentioned by @GIMH before in the tour thread, when england came here and won and did the same to india too), but by and large he's failed to stand up and be counted and be great overseas when the team's needed him; all too often in australia he's been middling, which, again, when you've got a pattern of doing it it is a black mark. you have to credit the guy for coming out every time and putting all the miles in to his legs that he has in crushing ashes defeats here, but as they say one swallow a summer does not make, and having the odd good overseas performance doesn't erase the rest of it.

I think you have to give him an allowance because of the type of bowler he is. At times in Australia, he's been called upon to keep runs down and make breakthroughs. A big ask for a bloke whose style we can all admit isn't as conducive to our conditions.

He's never had a bowler of say Archer's pace to help him out until now. Or a top flight spinner. Apart from Swann for a while. If he had those types of bowlers with him, then Broad as first change, you could use Anderson pretty much as a new ball specialist and likely improved his away performances.

 

[Pothas]

Overall average has a lot to do with when you get picked. Smith wouldn't average 60 if they'd kept picking him when he was still a hack. But Ponting would've if he'd retired earlier. Getting picked while not being very good because your team doesn't have many options taking away

Of course but I still think it governs overall impressions, possibly more than people realise. Particularly with bowlers actually.

 

[srbhkshk]

Of course but I still think it governs overall impressions, possibly more than people realise. Particularly with bowlers actually.

Second one's a very fair point, while ranking batsman people rarely if ever differentiate between averages from 50 to 60, bowlers seem to have a much narrower range even when adjusted for the lower averages they operate at.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Of course but I still think it governs overall impressions, possibly more than people realise. Particularly with bowlers actually.

think also the fact that it was going down all the time meant he was mentally bracketed as a near 30-average bowler for a long time. While your Rabada's and Cummins' are creeping up because that kind of lightning in a bottle isn't something you do series to series.

 

[trundler]

Of course but I still think it governs overall impressions, possibly more than people realise. Particularly with bowlers actually.

Second one's a very fair point, while ranking batsman people rarely if ever differentiate between averages from 50 to 60, bowlers seem to have a much narrower range even when adjusted for the lower averages they operate at.

This is true. An average of 20.99 immediately makes a much bigger impact than 22.22 even though it isn't really a meaningful difference.