Stuart Broad

[honestbharani]

Shami maybe, but not Ishant.

 

[Flem274*]

so basically harsh puts all 3 indians in the top 4 in the world.

it's ok to be wrong harsh. you're actually almost right.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Shami maybe, but not Ishant.

Shami is a bigger asset than Ishant in Indian conditions imo, genuinely one of the better old ball bowlers in the world.

 

[Teja.]

Ishant is so much more consistently reliable than Broad.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but Ishant in the last 2.5 years or whatever is averaging in mid teens. Shami is extremely blow hot and blow cold. I would pick Broad/Rabada over Shami but will not break up Ishant-Bumrah.

 

[Flem274*]

bumrah and ishant are the most similar to each other and bumrah is better though ishant is fantastic at the donkey work. i think india would take any of the good left armers (starc, wagner, boult) over ishant to balance the attack even more. they probably wouldn't mind another right arm fast guy either.

india don't really need to be on the market for quicks though,. it's not a south africa situation where even though they've got talent coming through they'd love any of the experienced world class pacemen to partner rabada.

 

[harsh.ag]

Rabada vs Shami is close, no doubt. But recently Shami's been better. Rabada has seen much better days.

 

[zaremba]

You are right he does.

Its a strange thing sweeping cricket. The current Australian cricket team look like underdeveloped school boys.

They look like they need a good meal and rather than beeing elite level athletes they look like refugees.

Ive been noticing for a long time this trend and it has me worried. Michael Clarke being the first to look like a 12 year old. It has spread through the team and even Tait, who once appeared broad shouldered and strong in the chest, has the Clalista Flockhart head-too-big-for-the-body thing going on now.

With Symonds and Watson out of the team the players looks physically underdeveloped.

Id seriously be talking to their expert nutritionists. Their chests look shrunken and they look underweight and childlike.

There is a difference between being fit and strong and being skinny and the Australians seem to have taken it too far. And before anyone mentions, it is not the 'cut' of the ODI shirts.

"Their chests look shrunken and they look underweight and childlike." - strong work Goughy. Sorry only to praise this a couple of decades on

 

[zaremba]

Still pretty mystified by Broad's success. He still doesn't move the ball much, he still gets disappointingly little bounce given his height, and he still isn't very quick. Nor does he have metronomic accuracy. I've always ranted about how he needed to pitch the ball up, and at least he now does that, rather than trying to "keep it tight" or worse still play the part of a god-awful and ineffectual "enforcer".

I suppose one weapon that he does have is a decent off-cutter which threatens the pad when he does pitch it up. Beyond that, there must be some subtle magic in his bowling that shrewder cricketing eyes than mine may be able to discern.

 

[harsh.ag]

Last 2 years, pacers:



Shami not a downgrade by any means.

 

[honestbharani]

Not a downgrade but more expendable than Ishant and Bumrah, is my point.

 

[Howe_zat]

When I joined this forum all the seam bowlers that people said were playing the best at the time were Steyn, Zaheer and Anderson because they'd all spent the last couple of years averaging 23. There wasn't really anyone else in the picture, except for a couple of Pakistan players who'd just been banned. Meanwhile lists of who the best batsman at the time was meant to be were full of blokes just piling on the runs, with most of the Indian lineup especally averaging 80+.

Things haven't half changed. That list harsh put up could be straight out of the 1980s.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

When I joined this forum all the seam bowlers that people said were playing the best at the time were Steyn, Zaheer and Anderson because they'd all spent the last couple of years averaging 23. There wasn't really anyone else in the picture, except for a couple of Pakistan players who'd just been banned. Meanwhile lists of who the best batsman at the time was meant to be were full of blokes just piling on the runs, with most of the Indian lineup especally averaging 80+.

Things haven't half changed. That list harsh put up could be straight out of the 1980s.

was it 2018 when all Test batsmen put up one double century all year, while ten years ago you could have three or four in two different Tests the same week

 

[Fuller Pilch]

No one outside of Cummins makes the India attack right now

Wagner is better than Shami and Ishant

 

[harsh.ag]

Wagner has been good enough to replace Shami, yeah. Better? Debatable.

 

[srbhkshk]

I don't think India has 3 out of 4 top test bowlers in the world right now, the stats from the last 2 years flatter them a bit with some good pitches to bowl on. That said it's probably true that no one bar Cummins would actually make the Indian side given they will have to bowl half of the time in India and Umesh and Shami are absolute top tier here and I won't drop Bumrah anywhere, then we also have Ishant putting up some great numbers, so yeah.

 

[grecian]

Still pretty mystified by Broad's success. He still doesn't move the ball much, he still gets disappointingly little bounce given his height, and he still isn't very quick. Nor does he have metronomic accuracy. I've always ranted about how he needed to pitch the ball up, and at least he now does that, rather than trying to "keep it tight" or worse still play the part of a god-awful and ineffectual "enforcer".

I suppose one weapon that he does have is a decent off-cutter which threatens the pad when he does pitch it up. Beyond that, there must be some subtle magic in his bowling that shrewder cricketing eyes than mine may be able to discern.

Isn't that Test cricket though, you only need to move it a little to get the mistake, make people miss. Yeah he doesn't do anything extravagant, bounce, seam, swing, he just does enough, and he's quick enough you can't adjust. When he has one of his spells, it's generally just super-accurate and a smidge quicker.

Tbh we've had plenty of players that do loads and keep missing the bat, or bounce too high over the batsmen to the 'keeper, I actually thought he might be another when he always pitched it too short, but he's turned it around spectacularly, fair play to him.

 

[Neptune]

Indian players are always so hyped up and overrated.

 

[Flem274*]

that list lacks a little bit of context but the indians have been an impressive trio. a couple of other stats catch the eye too...

they were a bit disappointing on tour down here. i was really concerned/looking forward to seeing a swing bowling war with them taking aim at a batting line up fresh from full meltdown against their kryptonite.

they beat the bat a lot but bowled a tad too short so often went frustrated. will be interesting to see what they can do in australia in several months.

 

[trundler]

Indian players are always so hyped up and overrated.

Pot kettle etc