[Voting Thread] ODI Debut Chronology draft

[ankitj]

This is voting thread for ODI Debut Chronology draft. Please cast your vote for 3 top teams from below.


Ankitj

Desmond Haynes
David Warner
Steven Smith
AB de Villiers
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan * [4]
Tom Latham +
Shaun Pollock [2]
Anil Kumble [5]
Waqar Younis [1]
Mustafizur Rahman [3]

Honeshbharani

Nathan Astle
Fakhar Zaman
Viv Richards
Martin Crowe (vc)
Carl Hooper
Michael Bevan
MS Dhoni (wk) ©
Rashid Khan
Mitchell Starc
Liam Plunkett
Lungi Ngidi


KingKallis

Sanath Jayasuriya / o
Jonny Bairstow / +
Ricky Ponting / ©
Dean Jones /
Javed Miandad /
Andrew Symonds / o
Shakib Al Hasan / o
Chris Cairns / o
Dennis Lillee o
Nathan Bracken o
Jasprit Bumrah o

mr_mister

Matthew Hayden
Rohit Sharma
Kane Williamson 6
Damian Martyn
Steve Waugh 5
Neil Fairbother
Alex Cary +
Shahid Afridi 4
Wasim Akram 1
Brett Lee 2
Allan Donald 3

Pothas

Saeed Anwar
Jason Roy
Jacques Kallis
Aravinda de Silva
Yuvraj Singh
Jos Buttler
Kedhar Jadhav
Mitchell Johnson
Joel Garner
Makhaya Ntini
Muttiah Muralitharan

Red Hill

Adam Gilchrist +
Gordon Greenidge
Hashim Amla
Joe Root
Kevin Pietersen
Clive Lloyd *
Ravi Jadeja (5)
Harbhajan Singh (4)
Shane Bond (2)
Jofra Archer (3)
Curtly Ambrose (1)

Stephen

Mark Waugh 6
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Babar Azam
Mushfiqur Rahim +
Ben Stokes 7
Michael Hussey
Andrew Flintoff 5
Richard Hadlee (c) 3
Shane Warne 4
Dale Steyn 2
Michael Holding 1

Teuton

Sourav Ganguly
Quinton de Kock wk
Virat Kohli
Brian Lara
Zaheer Abbas
Arjuna Ranatunga c
Lance Klusener
Daniel Vettori
Malcolm Marshall
Kagiso Rabada
Craig McDermott

trundler

Glenn Turner
Sachin Tendulkar
Kumar Sangakkara+
Eoin Morgan*
Rilee Roussow
Shane Watson
Chris Woakes
Andy Roberts
Morne Morkel
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar

Weldone

1. Chris Gayle
2. Herschelle Gibbs
3. Greg Chappell
4. Ross Taylor
5. Faf du Plessis
6. Brendon McCullum *+
7. Kapil Dev (2)
8. Jacob Oram (4)
9. Abdul Qadir (5)
10. Courtney Walsh (3)
11. Glenn McGrath (1)

 

[stephen]

This is really hard. All sides have weaknesses in some part of the side.

Ankitj: a very strong all round side. Top 4 are excellent. The middle order is good but compared to other middle orders isn't quite as punchy. The bowling attack is pretty good, though Kumble isn't the greatest spinner and Mustafizur has had a short career (even if it has been quite good so far). Still, this is a well balanced side that will probably earn a vote.

Hb: this is probably the most up and down side of the draft. Half the players in it are best in class and the other half are competitively poor. I think this side is a little too dependent on its stars to earn my vote.

Kk: fantastic batting lineup (though the tail sucks). Good if unspectacular bowling lineup. A solid contender.

Mr_mr: great top 4, weak through the middle, solid pace trio but I think you missed a trick by picking Afridi over Hogg.

Pothas: another top all round side. Kallis is really the only cake in the batting lineup and that's ok.

RH: Great batting, good bowling but a little spin heavy. I'd have liked to see another bowling option and I think Amla is out of place at 3 (Which has in turn caused Root and Pieterson to be batting too low). A good side overall though.

Teuton: another very good side. The biggest weakness is Vettori as spinner. Also the pace bowling attack (McDermott aside) are a much stronger test attack than ODI attack.

Trundler: good batting, great bowling. That bowling attack is quite varied and offers a lot of challenge for batsmen. Obviously the batting isn't quite as spectacular but a side with Tendulkar and Sangakkara can never be underestimated.

Weldone: quite a balanced side. Faf is batting way too low. Bowling is lacking a bit with Walsh, Oram and Kapil all being good but not great bowlers. Qadir underrated in ODIs though.

 

[stephen]

I'll also critique my own side:

The obvious strength is in the bowling. Five bowlers average under 27 with both Hadlee and holding averaging under 22 in ODIs. They are also quite a different set of bowlers, offering unique challenges to batsmen.

The batting is not quite as spectacular. Some people would question Mushfiqur Rahim at 4, but he actually averages around 43 batting there. The biggest problem with the batting is that it lacks an A lister. No Tendulkar, Richards, Kohli or de Villiers. The top order, while being good, is not as strong as some other sides. Having said that, Mark Waugh averaged almost as much as Tendulkar as opener, Chanderpaul averaged over 40 opening. Babar has been playing for 5 years already and should be hitting his prime now and is already averaging over 50.

My 5-7 is possibly the best in this draft, with Stokes, Hussey and Flintoff all being able to both build an innings after a collapse or hit out from ball one. Compared to say Hooper- Bevan- Dhoni, HB's side would be better if the side found themselves 4 down after 25 overs, but my side would be better if they were 4 down after 35 overs, which is a more likely scenario most of the time.

Personally I think this is one of the better sides I've drafted and I'd back them to win more often than not. The strangling effect of having 5 world class bowlers backed by a couple of past timers who have taken 70+ wickets gives the captain a lot of options and batsmen nowhere to run.

 

[stephen]

Ankitj, Pothas, KK ended up getting my votes. The third vote was quite difficult.

 

[ankitj]

Gave my vote to Trundler, Pothas and Stephen.

Trundler has a delicious pace trio and mastery of Saqlain. His 5th bowling options not that strong but with solid top 4 it doesn't matter. Batting has few solid names, although I don't know how to rate Roussow.

Pothas bowling is superb. Great job grabbing Garner and Murali.

Stephen has superb bowling attack and deep batting lineup. Odd batting order though. Mushfiqur is good and he was in my consideration set but certainly think Hussey should play ahead of him, even Stokes and Flintoff possibly.

 

[ankitj]

Others I did not vote...

Honestbharani - Lot of "alphas" but bowling is quite weak when Rashid is your 2nd best bowler, and 5th bowling options are a set of trundlers, none of whom can be expected to have a good enough day occasionally to bowl their 10 overs quota.

KingKallis - narrowly misses my vote mainly because his 4th or 5th bowling options are a bit weak.

mr_mister - Decent side with bunch of great names. Good top 4 but after that batting is lean (not sure how I feel about Fairbrother playing in lower order). Bowling also relies on top 3 heavily.

Red Hill - not a bad side at all. Only limitation is in bowling department where it relies on 2 spinners neither of whom are among top tier bowlers (each averaging 33+) and Jofra is quite new and raw.

Teuton - has a superb middle order and great finisher in Klusener in the lower order. May well be the best batting lineup in the draft. Bowling though is weak with none of the bowlers known to be masters of limited over cricket (Vettori is quite miser but not a wicket taking threat).

Weldone - Good batting unit. Bowling rests on McGrath and Kapil's shoulders primarily. Walsh is OK 3rd pacer but with an average of 30 odd, not very lethal.

Overall, feels like I subconsciously avoided voting for teams with weak bowling units. This may be down the fact that batting lineups are quite evenly matched between all drafters.

 

[marc71178]

My 5-7 is possibly the best in this draft, with Stokes, Hussey and Flintoff all being able to both build an innings after a collapse or hit out from ball one.

I'd say that one thing Stokes and Flintoff can't do is go big from ball one.

 

[stephen]

Stephen has superb bowling attack and deep batting lineup. Odd batting order though. Mushfiqur is good and he was in my consideration set but certainly think Hussey should play ahead of him, even Stokes and Flintoff possibly.

This is Mushfiqur's record batting at 4:

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

He's batted there half his career, hit all 7 of his hundreds and 25/38 50s from the position and made 3783/6174 of his runs there. It's obviously the batting position he's most comfortable in.

The other advantage is that my two slowest strikers (relative to their era) are batting as opener and at 4.

Also Marc, on Flintoff, he is mostly in my side as the 5th bowler rather than for his batting. Assuming I was the coach of the team I would be getting him to focus more on his bowling and power hitting. I know he was best batting at 5 but Stokes batting 5 is better I feel.

 

[Red]

KK, Pothas, Mr Mr.

KK has the best team by far, there's not really a weak link in there. Throw a blanket over the rest really, but Pothas and Mr have very good bowling combined with batsmen that would get the job done.

 

[Pothas]

If Ankitj had managed to get Bumrah instead of KK then he would be comfortably ahead, they both get a vote though. It is really close after that but giving it to Red Hill.

 

[stephen]

If Ankitj had managed to get Bumrah instead of KK then he would be comfortably ahead, they both get a vote though. It is really close after that but giving it to Red Hill.

I personally mark both of their bowling attacks down slightly for having players with such short careers. Just like I expect my batting to be marked down for having Babar at 3.

 

[stephen]

Don't forget to vote for me

 

[honestbharani]

ankit - Not sure of Tom Latham and the Fizz and their roles in that side and I would say Imran is batting a little too high and at a role that he won't be very good at. I would rather let him bat 4 and push AB and Inzy down 1 slot. But great ODI side nonetheless. 8/10




my side - Have already mentioned it elsewhere... That middle orde and those bowlers are a great combination. And I got specialists for literally every role you can find in ODIs both with bat and ball and heck, even in the field. <<abstain>>




KK - Not very sure of the positions of Miandad and Shakib in that side. He could well have benfitted from one of the more modern finishers in that side and it is a little low on the specialist spin area. Otherwise, good. 7/10




MR MR - The #s 6-8 make this side kinda wonky compared to the rest in the draft but otherwise an amazing side. God these teams will be tough to rank. 7.5/10




Pothas - Jadhav, Johnson and Ntini bring this side down a few pegs. Otherwise anothe great side and very good balance with almost all of the middle order batters capable of 6-10 overs every game. 7/10




Red Hill - The 6-8 and longish tail bring it down but the seamers and the top 5 are absolutely top drawer here. 8/10




stephen - I would have easily shifted Hussey to 4 and Freddie to 5 with Stokes at 6 and Mushfiqur at 7 but amazing depth and an amazing side. The only reason this wont be the top side (if it tallies that way at the end) wil be because the batting order seems messed up to me. Even a great side can go down notches if the batting order is not 8.5/10




Teuton - the middle order is full of #3s and Ranatunga can't get quick runs to save his life there. The bowlers are good but not quite great in the context of ODI cricket. A rare blip from the Bradman of drafts, AFAIC. 7/10




trundler - Bit of an all sorts side there.. very hard to even say with any certainty how they will go and I guess that tells you all about this side. 6/10




Weldone - A good side but rather middling compared to others in the draft. 6/10




So my vote is for Stephen, RedHill, and ankit.




So, stephen and RH, now just accept at least one of my arguments next time.

 

[ankitj]

Bumping it back to the first page of CC. You still have time to vote!

 

[ankitj]

3 more days before poll closes.

 

[weldone]

Ankit, Red Hill, Teuton

 

[ankitj]

Poll is closed now. Congrats to KK and me then!

Genuinely surprised at number of votes I got. I didn't think I had a top 3 side honestly.

 

[ankitj]

Other draft that I was hopeful of winning, I'm getting far fewer votes. lol

 

[kingkallis]

It was fun! I honestly think I had drafted a pretty good ODI team there.

Thank you everyone for the vote.

 

[ankitj]

Yes you had a good side. I think only reason I didn't vote for your team was that you had one all rounder too many. I am a specialists guy. In ODI cricket I like 4 frontline bowlers and 1 all rounder; in tests all rounder is completely optional for me.