Is Jimmy Adams the only player to ever complete this rare treble of achievements?

[Bolo.]

Excellent point.

They do seem to be mostly above-average batsmen though

Also to be expected from a part timer. They bowl the vast majority of their overs at set batmen, and poor bats dont get set as often.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Also to be expected from a part timer. They bowl the vast majority of their overs at set batmen, and poor bats dont get set as often.

I dunno man, I reckon his victims would still be above average.

The average batting average (in Tests, because easier) of those 8 wickets is 36.18

would be interested to compare it to other part timers of a similar type, might see what I can do

 

[honestbharani]

While it is true that part timers tend to bowl at set good batsmen more as a rule, the fact that someone dismissed 8 such batsmen means he is pretty decent for a part timer IMO at least.

 

[Bolo.]

I dunno man, I reckon his victims would still be above average.

The average batting average (in Tests, because easier) of those 8 wickets is 36.18

would be interested to compare it to other part timers of a similar type, might see what I can do

Ya, still stronger than I would expect looking at the names on paper. 36 is actually only about average for top order bats in Pontings era, so it doesnt hold up on the stats.

8 wickets is a silly sample size though. It would be better to compare the 1 WPM type bowlers to each other for a more reasonable basis.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ya, still stronger than I would expect looking at the names on paper. 36 is actually only about average for top order bats in Pontings era, so it doesnt hold up on the stats.

8 wickets is a silly sample size though. It would be better to compare the 1 WPM type bowlers to each other for a more reasonable basis.

I think you're misinterpreting what we're saying here. We're just pointing out that he's coincidentally got some big wickets, not that it's necessarily indicative of his bowling skill. Sample size is irrelevant.

His Test bowling average was 55, he obviously wasn't anything special. (Or only slightly worse than Mohammad Sami I guess)

 

[Bolo.]

I think you're misinterpreting what we're saying here. We're just pointing out that he's coincidentally got some big wickets, not that it's necessarily indicative of his bowling skill. Sample size is irrelevant.

His Test bowling average was 55, he obviously wasn't anything special. (Or only slightly worse than Mohammad Sami I guess)

Na, Im not misinterpreting. That part of my comment is directed at your suggestion of comparing his wicket quality to comparable bowlers, which wouldnt be of much use.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Na, Im not misinterpreting. That part of my comment is directed at your suggestion of comparing his wicket quality to comparable bowlers, which wouldnt be of much use.

No. At no point was I commenting on Ponting's quality as a bowler.

My comment on comparing his "wicket quality" to comparable bowlers was purely an exercise to see if his coincidental list of victims was actually better than you'd expect, in no way was I comparing his quality to that of comparable bowlers.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I dunno man, I reckon his victims would still be above average.

The average batting average (in Tests, because easier) of those 8 wickets is 36.18

would be interested to compare it to other part timers of a similar type, might see what I can do

Did the same with Mahela Jaywardene (just seemed like an equivalent type player) whose 14 international wickets had an average average of 28.3

I had to use ODI stats for his ODI wickets (couple were Kenyans who didn't play Tests) and there were 3 or 4 tail-enders among those 14 wickets which challenges (somewhat) the idea that part-timers never take the wickets of tail-enders

Edit: The average average of Damien Martyn's 14 international victims was 29.3 (only 1 tail-ender)

looking at this early stage that conventional wisdom re. Ponting's scalps being better than average is holding up, though of course it's only 2 comparisons so hardly statisticially definitive

 

[marc71178]

Fair enough but once again, since it was directly after mine after I had brought up the player in question, I am sure its obvious why anyone would take it as a response to my post.

So you're insisting that any post directly after one of yours has to be a response to your post?

 

[honestbharani]

So you're insisting that any post directly after one of yours has to be a response to your post?

See if you can read the post you actually quoted...

 

[tony p]

I don't think Tim Zoehrer has been mentioned. Over 5000 first class runs@30, fine keeper and bowled pretty useful legspin, best of 5-58.

Saw him bowl, definitely, not the worst.

 

[cnerd123]

And Tim Zoehrer always features in discussions about wicketkeepers who bowl. In FC cricket he has a five wicket haul, a century, and probably 5 dismissals in a game as keeper too.

literally page 1 mate

 

[tony p]

literally page 1 mate

yep, missed that.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

yep, missed that.

I mean it's only *****, you can be forgiven for not taking any notice of his posts

 

[Shady Slim]

Travis Head was listed as a wk in a few ICC iterations iirc.

Finch got his wicketkeeping hours up a bit when SuperNev kept getting concussed by freak accidents and/or Brad Hodge, and who can forget that period where he bowled a couple of dodgy overs of SLA seemingly every game?

this is a good call because it’s great to see periods in cricket history where guys who are unequivocally not bowlers have to become part time options because of team composition. de villiers did so in the wc iirc (totally ignoring all abdv discourse in the thread already), kraigg braithwaite i would argue was bowling upwards of twenty overs per game at one point (and was doing pretty well), i’m sure there are others

 

[mr_mister]

Michael Bevan the best example. After his random 10fer he was basically played in the test side as a fully fledged all-rounder after clearly being a more talented bat just a couple of years earlier and after his test career ended.

his overall test averages of 24 with ball and 29 bat reflect a really successful bowling all-rounder's returns

 

[Shady Slim]

there’s also the entirety of the bangladesh cricket team since at least 2015

 

[honestbharani]

You guys are all forgetting the greatest round arm bowler in the world - KEDAR JADHAV. He kept for an entire IPL and hardly ever bowled until MSD realized he can do a job. Rest is history.

 

[Engle]

Wally Hammond deserves more than a mention - he could bat as we well know, bowl, field at slip, captain. His FC record also shows 3 stumpings. Just a natural cricketer at core

 

[TheJediBrah]

Michael Bevan the best example. After his random 10fer he was basically played in the test side as a fully fledged all-rounder after clearly being a more talented bat just a couple of years earlier and after his test career ended.

his overall test averages of 24 with ball and 29 bat reflect a really successful bowling all-rounder's returns

lol 24 with the ball would make him an ATG spinner if he kept it up

my memory of his bowling is that it was pretty woeful. Bowled 2 or 3 absolute trash balls an over. Good wrong'un though.