Great domestic sides of the past

[trundler]

Lee-Cummins-Bracken-Starc is pretty OP

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Lee-Cummins-Bracken-Starc is pretty OP

Starc, the enforcer.
Cummins- Ryan Harris
Lee- Siddle
Bracken- Lyon

 

[Shady Slim]

you'd have to wonder where a full nsw side, if it gets on the park this summer if there are no internationals, would rank among them tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

you'd have to wonder where a full nsw side, if it gets on the park this summer if there are no internationals, would rank among them tbh

It's only really Warner, Smith, CumStarcHazeLyon isn't it?

Still have to make up 5 spots from career state players so you wouldn't think it would be as good as even other recent NSW sides

 

[trundler]

That time NSW beat WI under Worrell by an innings in 1960 I think

 

[Starfighter]

That time NSW beat WI under Worrell by an innings in 1960 I think

Twice actually:
New South Wales v West Indians at Sydney, 25-28 Nov 1960
New South Wales v West Indians at Sydney, 23-26 Dec 1960

 

[Starfighter]

1920/21 NSW had:

1: Collins
2: McCartney
3: Andrews
4: Kelleway
5: Bardsley
6: Gregory
7: Taylor
8: Hendry
9: Oldfield
10: Trenerry
11: Mailey

A bit weak on the bowling, perhaps?

 

[morgieb]

1920/21 NSW had:

1: Collins
2: McCartney
3: Andrews
4: Kelleway
5: Bardsley
6: Gregory
7: Taylor
8: Hendry
9: Oldfield
10: Trenerry
11: Mailey

A bit weak on the bowling, perhaps?

That looks a really solid, yeah.

Not sure if this ever played together, but in 02/03 we could've fielded a side which was:

1. Slater
2. Katich
3. Bevan
4. M Waugh
5. S Waugh
6. Clarke
7. Haddin
8. Lee
9. Clark
10. MacGill
11. McGrath

All of them played lots and lots of internationals and were mostly at least decent at it.

Circa early 2010 we could've fielded something that looked like:

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Khawaja
4. Clarke
5. Smith
6. Watson
7. Haddin
8. Starc
9. Lee
10. Hazlewood
11. Clark

With Cummins a year away - but I think at that point both Clark + Lee had retired from FC cricket.

 

[SteveNZ]

Can someone please go round to Howsie's house and check he is OK. The fact we are in lockdown and he hasn't posted a Northern Districts side to this thread suggests he might not be well...

I'll do it for him: if we are only able to play international cricket this upcoming summer, they could roll out the following side:

Seifert
Brownlie
Williamson
Mitchell
Watling
de Grandhomme
Santner
Sodhi
Southee
Wagner
Boult

That's leaving out Scott Kuggeleijn as well. 11 current internationals, plus a former one in Brownlie. Add in Daniel Flynn who has just retired.

 

[SteveNZ]

And seeing we're doing parochialism, here's a list of players who played for one club in Auckland from around 2005-2015:

Kyle Mills, Colin de Grandhomme, Brooke Walker, Mark Craig, Andy McKay, Colin Munro, Kerry Walmsley, Glenn Phillips, Mitchell McClenaghan (9 internationals) + Derek de Boorder, Andy de Boorder, Donovan Grobbelaar, Dale Phillips, Jamie Brown, Matt McEwen, Danru Ferns, Greg Todd, Greg Morgan, Gareth Hayne, Shaun Hicks, Luke Vivian (12 first-class players). 21 rep players. 14 of them home grown.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Can someone please go round to Howsie's house and check he is OK. The fact we are in lockdown and he hasn't posted a Northern Districts side to this thread suggests he might not be well...

I'll do it for him: if we are only able to play international cricket this upcoming summer, they could roll out the following side:

Seifert
Brownlie
Williamson
Mitchell
Watling
de Grandhomme
Santner
Sodhi
Southee
Wagner
Boult

That's leaving out Scott Kuggeleijn as well. 11 current internationals, plus a former one in Brownlie. Add in Daniel Flynn who has just retired.

Would be an average international side at best tbh

 

[Red]

Twice actually:
New South Wales v West Indians at Sydney, 25-28 Nov 1960
New South Wales v West Indians at Sydney, 23-26 Dec 1960

Davo absolutely ripping it up. What a player.

 

[SteveNZ]

Would be an average international side at best tbh

Yep, can't disagree with that.

Can't have done any worse from Boxing Day to New Year's 19/20 though right?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yep, can't disagree with that.

Can't have done any worse from Boxing Day to New Year's 19/20 though right?

a lot of it is actually the same side

 

[the big bambino]

Starc, the enforcer.
Cummins- Ryan Harris
Lee- Siddle
Bracken- Lyon

Don't really see Starc as an enforcer. Cummins more so imo

1920/21 NSW had:

1: Collins
2: McCartney
3: Andrews
4: Kelleway
5: Bardsley
6: Gregory
7: Taylor
8: Hendry
9: Oldfield
10: Trenerry
11: Mailey

A bit weak on the bowling, perhaps?

Bowling is fine. Not as good a level as Starc Haze Pat and goat but still good. Interesting name is Trenerry. Fast medium according to cricinfo. Would imagine him taking the second over with Kelleway and Hendry supporting. Mailey a good spin option for the pitches of the day.

 

[SteveNZ]

a lot of it is actually the same side

True, seven of them. Missing Blundell, Taylor, Latham and Nicholls from the G.

Incidentally, on that tour, ND players averaged 14.5 with the bat. Non ND players averaged 26.9.

Overrated province.

 

[Line and Length]

I'm a little bemused by the fact that the only mention of West Australian teams in "Great Domestic Sides of the Past" is in the context of two Shield finals (v Queensland 80/81 and v NSW 95/96).
WA had three talent-laden sides that won back-to-back Shields (one with 3 in a row).

71-73 Included test cricketers in John Inverarity, Ross Edwards, Graeme Watson, Rod Marsh, Tony Mann, Dennis Lille, Graham McKenzie, Bruce Yardley, Bob Massie, Sam Gannon and Tony Lock.
A bit top heavy with bowlers but Derek Chadwick (9 first class centuries), Jock Irvine and all-rounder Ian Brayshaw were no mugs.

76-77 Included test players in Bruce Laird, Wally Edwards. Kim Hughes Craig Serjeant, John Inverarity, Trevor Chappell, Rod Marsh, Tony Mann, Bruce Yardley, Dennis Lillee, Terry Alderman, Mick Malone and Wayne Clark
Throw in all-rounder Rob Langer into the mix and you have an impressive line-up.

86-89 (3 Shields) These teams included test players Geoff Marsh, Graeme Wood, Mike Veletta, Kim Hughes, Tom Moody, Tim Zoehrer, Bruce Reid, Terry Alderman, Chris Matthews, Tom Hogan, Vic Marks and Alan Mullally.
Add Ken MacLeay, who played in ODIs for Australia and a more than competent bat in Wayne Andrews and one can see why this side was so dominant.

I'm not saying that some of the past NSW and other eastern seaboard sides aren't as impressive on paper. I'm just adding a bit of west coast balance.

 

[Starfighter]

Bowling is fine. Not as good a level as Starc Haze Pat and goat but still good. Interesting name is Trenerry. Fast medium according to cricinfo. Would imagine him taking the second over with Kelleway and Hendry supporting. Mailey a good spin option for the pitches of the day.

I can imagine Gregory would open with Kelley. Trenerry would be similar in pace to Kelleway I can imagine.

Interestingly the team from the second NSW match from the 20/21 tour was quite different and significantly weaker than the first. Might be to do with player availability as much as anything.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

and v NSW 95/96

Yeah, I don't think so. Might want to try again there

 

[Line and Length]

Yeah, I don't think so. Might want to try again there

What's this then? (posted 19-3-2020)

The sides in this match were handy:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...shield-1995-96

WA had Hussey, Langer, Martyn, Moody, Gilchrist, Julien, Angel and Reid.

NSW had Taylor, Slater, S Waugh, M Waugh, Bevan, Matthews, S Lee and McGrath.

One and a half test sides between the two sides.