Great domestic sides of the past

[the big bambino]

A few times now.

 

[jimmy101]

Excellent.

 

[AndrewB]

There must have been some strong Barbados teams over the years: e.g. in the 50s when they had the three Ws and Sobers, or around 1980 when they had Greenidge, Haynes, Marshall, Garner, Clarke and Daniel.

 

[stephen]

There must have been some strong Barbados teams over the years: e.g. in the 50s when they had the three Ws and Sobers, or around 1980 when they had Greenidge, Haynes, Marshall, Garner, Clarke and Daniel.

Yeah some of those Caribbean teams of the 70s and 80s were world class

 

[vcs]

Some quality teams here, great match as well.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series.../bombay-vs-haryana-final-ranji-trophy-1990-91

 

[marc71178]

I think the yorkshire 2016 squad would hsve included,
Lyth
Bairstow
Williamson
Root
Ballance

Willey
Bresnan
Rashid
Plunkett
Sidebottom

Just one middle order batsman short of a half decent test side

Plus an opener and a tail that doesn't start at 7.

 

[a massive zebra]

Plus an opener and a tail that doesn't start at 7.

Pretty absurd to say the tail starts at 7. All but one of the players listed by Tom could bat and Rashid at 9 has ten first class centuries and a county championship batting average of nearly 35. They had possibly the best lower middle order of any county championship side at the time.

Also, they did have another opener in Alex Lees who was probably one if the top 8-10 opening batsmen in county cricket at the time.

 

[Tom Flint]

Yeah I clearly wasn't saying it's a great test side just that it could hold its own especially when your batting line up includes kw and root. Bresnan became a better bat than a bowler in his older years and if you remember at this time Bairstow was scoring crazy amount of runs whenever he played cc. Jack Brooks was also very unlucky not to get called up he was taking 50+ every season

 

[marc71178]

Pretty absurd to say the tail starts at 7. All but one of the players listed by Tom could bat and Rashid at 9 has ten first class centuries and a county championship batting average of nearly 35. They had possibly the best lower middle order of any county championship side at the time.

Also, they did have another opener in Alex Lee's who was probably one if the top 8-10 opening batsmen in county cricket at the time.

Sorry, but any of that bottom 5 at 7 is way too high.

 

[a massive zebra]

Yeah I clearly wasn't saying it's a great test side just that it could hold its own especially when your batting line up includes kw and root. Bresnan became a better bat than a bowler in his older years and if you remember at this time Bairstow was scoring crazy amount of runs whenever he played cc. Jack Brooks was also very unlucky not to get called up he was taking 50+ every season

Yeah Brooks was consistently Yorkshire's leading championship wicket taker in their years of dominance. He was regularly selected above the likes of Plunkett and Willey, quite rightly given the bucketloads of wickets he took and the consistent threat he posed. Brooks could get late swing at a good pace (timed at 88mph during a championship match on Sky), but at the international level his accuracy might have been an issue when things didn't go to plan.

 

[a massive zebra]

Did part of this have something to do with the newly discovered art of swing bowling? Was it a novelty like the googly in its early days?

Yes, Yorkshire's three great bowlers at that time were Wildred Rhodes (a left arm spinner), George Hirst (a left arm fast medium swing bowler) and Schofield Haigh (a quick offspinner). Here is a post I made about George Hirst's contribution to the development of swing bowling.

 

[SeamUp]

1960s in SA were Natal v Transvaal. They also carried on into the 70s a bit. The star SA players in previous eras also played for these 2 teams like Bruce Mitchell, Eric Rowan, Dudley Nourse, Hugh Tayfield, Neil Adcock, Peter Heine etc

65/66

Jackie McGlew (c)
Trevor Goddard
Barry Richards
Berry Versfeld (not an international but close)
Lee Irvine
Roy McLean
Colin Wesley
Mike Procter
Denis Gamsy (wk)
Neville Crookes (not an international - Dereck's father)
Pat Trimborn

* Vince van der Bijl came around 68/69 - crazy stat in a record I am keeping. For 14 seasons from 68/69 to 81/82 big Vince was the leading wicket-taker in the season for Natal 10 times and the other 4 times he was 2nd (3 of which was behind Procter who then travelled around a bit for 69/70 with WP and from 70/71 to 75/76 he was with Rhodesia & the other occasion was behind Pat Trimborn)


Transvaal was the main competition

Eddie Barlow
John Waite (wk)
Ali Bacher (c)
Tiger Lance
Ray White (not international)
Sid O'Linn
Richard Dumbrill
Anthony Tillim (not international)
Donald Mackay-Coghill (not an international but one of the leading Currie Cup wicket takers of all time)
Atholl McKinnon
Mike Macaulay


From mid to late 70s and through the 80s it was WP v Transvaal (Mean Machine) as the main fixture. Will go into that in another post.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

There must have been some strong Barbados teams over the years: e.g. in the 50s when they had the three Ws and Sobers, or around 1980 when they had Greenidge, Haynes, Marshall, Garner, Clarke and Daniel.

This would be a fun match for the relive, their depth got exposed a bit though

8-11 March 1967, Barbados v Rest of the World XI @ Kensington Oval

 

[TNT]

Have a look at this match from 1980

link

 

[jimmy101]

Have a look at this match from 1980

link

Wood & McEwan unlucky not to get selected for the sim league imo.

 

[Line and Length]

Middlesex had a pretty handy side in the mid '80s

As well as Mike Gatting, John Embury, Paul Downton, Norman Cowans and Phil Edmunds who were established Test players, they had Clive Radley, Wilf Slack, Graham Barlow, Roland Butcher all who had brief Test careers. Not to mention the West Indian quick Wayne Daniels.

 

[wpdavid]

Middlesex had a pretty handy side in the mid '80s

As well as Mike Gatting, John Embury, Paul Downton, Norman Cowans and Phil Edmunds who were established Test players, they had Clive Radley, Wilf Slack, Graham Barlow, Roland Butcher all who had brief Test careers. Not to mention the West Indian quick Wayne Daniels.

If you're interested, a couple of us discussed their early 1980s side on page 2. Similar line-up to yours, but with Jeff Thomson instead of Norman Cowans. and Brearley and Selvey were till playing then. They actually fielded a full XI of guys who had played test cricket on occasions.
And I'm struggling to remember when Vincent Van de Bijl played for Middlesex.

EDIT
Turns out Fred's contributed an article about Big Vince, who just played the one season for Middlesex in 1980.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The first T20 Champions league was won by a NSW side full of ringers.

David Warner, Phil Hughes, Steve Smith, Simon Katich, Shane Watson, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Steve O'Keefe, Brett Lee, Stuart Clark, Moises Henriques, Hauritz and Bollinger all played at some point.

Would have had others like Michael Clarke, Brad Haddin, Josh Hazlewood, Phil Jaques, Usman Khawaja and Nathan Bracken around the set up but don't think they played that tournament.

There would have been 9 or 10 of them in at least every game plus 1 or 2 domestic spuds like Rohrer and Dan Smith.

Stronger white-ball side than most international XIs.

 

[morgieb]

The first T20 Champions league was won by a NSW side full of ringers.

David Warner, Phil Hughes, Steve Smith, Simon Katich, Shane Watson, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Steve O'Keefe, Brett Lee, Stuart Clark, Moises Henriques, Hauritz and Bollinger all played at some point.

There would have been 9 or 10 of them in at least every game plus 1 or 2 domestic spuds like Rohrer and Dan Smith.

Stronger white-ball side than most international XIs

Yeah NSW winning two Champions League's (well the second was the Sixers but that makes it more impressive in a way) in a competition rigged for the IPL is seriously impressive.

Though Cummins wouldn't have played in 09/10 as he was 16 at the time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah NSW winning two Champions League's (well the second was the Sixers but that makes it more impressive in a way) in a competition rigged for the IPL is seriously impressive.

Though Cummins wouldn't have played in 09/10 as he was 16 at the time.

Think I was looking at a scorecard from the 2011 edition that he played in.

Absurd how many international cricketers they had at one time. Not just international players but genuine stars. You could nearly make a competitive ATG XI out of them.

Warner
Hughes
Watson
Smith
Clarke
Haddin
Henriques
Lee
Cummins
Bracken
Starc