The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread (white ball edition)

[h_hurricane]

He would either hit out or get out. Ideal for T20s.

 

[jimmy101]

Can't wait until the first major fight breaks out in this thread. Best thing is at least you know you'll get a definitive result in just one day!

 

[stephen]

Is Boetta Dippenaar the worst batsman to have been given a decent run in ODIs?

 

[honestbharani]

Didn't he average 40+ when it was still considered a sign of almost greatness or something?

 

[stephen]

Didn't he average 40+ when it was still considered a sign of almost greatness or something?

In the era of Gilchrist and Tendulkar he was striking at 67. The best thing he did was get out early in the 434 match.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah.. remember him in ODIs and Neil McKenzie in tests being wonderful minnow bashers for RSA back in that era.

 

[jimmy101]

Enough hate on Hendrik Human Dippenaar, he has one of the sweetest middle names ever.

 

[h_hurricane]

Can't wait until the first major fight breaks out in this thread. Best thing is at least you know you'll get a definitive result in just one day!

You won't be disappointed Just wait for a trigger somewhere..

 

[TheJediBrah]

Dippenaar was a classy top order bat. His technically correct batting shaped my upbringing. Stephen, you have stolen my dreams and my childhood. How dare you. How dare you trigger me like this.

 

[h_hurricane]

Dippenaar would be gold for the current SA team, especially on low scoring pitches. Was never a T20 hack. Cool, calm, collected, measured and immensely lovable.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If Dippenaar was a kiwi people would be picking him in their ATG NZ XIs

 

[stephen]

If Dippenaar was a kiwi people would be picking him in their ATG NZ XIs

Dippenaar - 80s strike rate in a 00s era. Like, people complain that Bevan batted too slowly but Dippenaar made Bevan look like Viv.

 

[h_hurricane]

Dippenaar - 80s strike rate in a 00s era. Like, people complain that Bevan batted too slowly but Dippenaar made Bevan look like Viv.

Dippenaar struck at some 7 runs less than Bevan. Is a "moderate downgrade" on Bevan in the same world that Waugh is a moderate downgrade on Tendulkar.

 

[stephen]

Dippenaar struck at some 7 runs less than Bevan. Is a "moderate downgrade" on Bevan in the same world that Waugh is a moderate downgrade on Tendulkar.

I don't really like to compare openers/ middle order but the gap between Bevan and Dippenaar is far wider than the gap between Tendulkar and Waugh. Perhaps if their averages were closer it might be a contest.

 

[AndrewB]

Best possible 50 over team from 1948-68

Morris
Mankad
G. Pollock
Weekes
Walcott +
Sobers
Miller
Benaud (c)
Davidson
P. Pollock
Trueman

Roy McLean and Farokh Engineer are worth considering - two of the fastest scorers of the era.

 

[Red]

Neil Harvey’d be worth a shot. Gun field in addition to batting

 

[TheJediBrah]

Roy McLean and Farokh Engineer are worth considering - two of the fastest scorers of the era.

You still want the best players though. Admittedly I don't know much about Roy McLean but his stats (read: average) don't exactly look like a player for the "best possible team", even if he scored quicker than most.

I also get the feeling that we were looking at players that didn't play any ODI cricket at all, which Engineer did for a few games.

 

[jimmy101]

Collie Smith would be a great addition to any modern day squad.

 

[h_hurricane]

I don't really like to compare openers/ middle order but the gap between Bevan and Dippenaar is far wider than the gap between Tendulkar and Waugh. Perhaps if their averages were closer it might be a contest.

If you give equal weightage to batting average and strike rate and use a measure (batting average*SR), difference between Tendulkar and Waugh is 8.40. Likewise, the difference between Bevan and Dippenaar is 11.11. Among this quartet, Bevan has the least runs per innings and the third best SR.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bevan was a moderate upgrade on Suresh Raina tbh