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*Official* England in South Africa 2019/20

Howe_zat

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The last time England had 3 consecutive fifty-plus opening stands was Vaughan and Trescothick v Bangladesh in 2003.

The same pair had done it against South Africa earlier that summer.
 
Heboric

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flibbertyjibber said:
Yeah it is difficult to be too hard on South Africa given they have lost a bunch of great players to retirement and the replacement bowling attack to Kolpak deals in recent years. No side could cope with that without a drop off in results. The key thing is how quickly they can rebuild.
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Heres hoping,
 
Howe_zat

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flibbertyjibber said:
So how does Burns get back in?

That is a joke by the way. Nice to have some options, for the time being at least.
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Big question to answer is whether one of them can Denly as effectively as Denly. It hasn't been a stellar career from Denly, but he has been doing a job. Root, Stokes and Pope's performances have only really come together while having a nice 27 (90) to cushion themselves.

I would be reluctant to throw all the youngsters into Sri Lanka tests because they did well against this fast-medium monochrome. It's going to be quite different.
 
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Howe_zat said:
Big question to answer is whether one of them can Denly as effectively as Denly. It hasn't been a stellar career from Denly, but he has been doing a job. Root, Stokes and Pope's performances have only really come together while having a nice 27 (90) to cushion themselves.

I would be reluctant to throw all the youngsters into Sri Lanka tests because they did well against this fast-medium monochrome. It's going to be quite different.
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Yeah we need Denly and his stodginess for a while yet. Guess Crawley would be the one to move to 3 if they decided to pick all of them once Denly is done. Burns missing Sri Lanka gives them a chance to play Crawley for another couple of games or bring Jennings in. Just hope Pope isn't moved to 3 any time soon.
 
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flibbertyjibber said:
Yeah we need Denly and his stodginess for a while yet. Guess Crawley would be the one to move to 3 if they decided to pick all of them once Denly is done. Burns missing Sri Lanka gives them a chance to play Crawley for another couple of games or bring Jennings in. Just hope Pope isn't moved to 3 any time soon.
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I'd be happy to move Pope to five in order to encourage more Root-Pope partnerships, which have looked very productive. Stokes-Root has never really gone big for some reason.

But yeah, sticking him at three just feels like arrogance, and dropping Denly now (rather than any time in the last two years) feels like an unnecessary thinning of the herd.

I remember when Root was going great at 5/6 in his early career but people wanted him to be an opener. Compton was averaging low 30s but had done well opening with Cook in India, and was soaking up a lot of new balls like your average opener should. Root had to open, he was less effective, and Compton was dumped forever while we replaced him with people that were worse.
 
Bijed

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I'm going firmly with an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach to the bits of our batting that have started working this series. We need medium-term plans to replace Denly because he's not a young'un*, and if Burns, Sibley and Crawley all continue doing ok, that's our answer right there.

I hope the selectors are ok with our top 3 doing a job and don't go making needless changes under the delusion that there's anothing big thing out there in the form of the next county player to make a few tons


*Just to be clear I'm not saying bin Denly in 2 years time just becuase he'll be mid-30s if he can still do a job at that point
 
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i was a denly fan when i first saw him in the ashes. classic 'between fc and tests' player with the bottle to dig in for contributions.

when you lack options those guys are so valuable. australia were stuck in a rut (away from home) because they had nothing between world class level and super spud level. we had the same during the taylor/ryder years and sa sorta have that now.
 
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