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South Africa team selection

SeamUp

International Coach
Firdose is basking in the team and Faf's failure. Go on to cricinfo and everything is about the end is near and Bavuma is the saviour.

The fact of the matter is, Faf's captaincy had its moments and whilst not working with great tools it has n't been a good end for him as a captain. Outside factors may have played a role to but down on the scorecards is disappointing test series losses to Sri Lanka , India and probably England + a disastrous world cup.
 
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StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The last time SA had to rebuild like this we had Kallis sitting at 4 not Faf. That is a hell of a difference in security for a batting line-up, SA also batted to 8 with the number of all-rounders. Both those things made a competitive batting side, and still we used to get blown away for low scores more than occasionally. What we did do is pick the best available players regardless of experience and numbers. We had a few duds, we picked a few guys I would not have considered. But we got the youngsters in and gave them a shot. Can you image the selection/coach etc choosing Smith as captain today to lead SA to England?

I am a fanboy, but anybody who has watched Hamza play for any length of time knows he is quality. And if you think that you can play in SA for any space of time and be unable to play the short ball and make runs I think you are deluded. Yes quality spin maybe, not the short ball. Hamza has got out in many different ways and what he looks to me is uncertain and tentative. People are attributing that to his inability to play the short ball, I am attributing it to a young talented player coming in at 3 in a failing batting line-up. I agree that he probably should be batting 5 but batting at 3 is fine as long as they give him a chance to settle.

We have 2 players in the top 6 that have decent international experience. Elgar and Faf. Neither are good enough to rebuild a team around. Good solid international players, but that is all. With QDKs temperament he needs to bat 6/7, he will never be a top 4 batsmen, QDK will never save a game for you by batting out time.

I have said this since before the world cup. SA needs to strip this team down to its bare bones, pick the youngsters and rebuild. We will get hammered for a few series but I do think SA have the capability to recover quickly, the talent is there it is just not being used efficiently. I would be dropping Elgar and Faf. I would never be picking the likes of Pieter Malan, van der Dussen, Pretorius, Paterson or Hendricks.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Firdose is basking in the team and Faf's failure. Go on to cricinfo and everything is about the end is near and Bavuma is the saviour.

The fact of the matter is, Faf's captaincy had its moments and whilst not working with great tools it has n't been a good end for him as a captain. Outside factors may have played a role to but down on the scorecards is disappointing test series losses to Sri Lanka , India and probably England + a disastrous world cup.
Her gloating since before the CSA debacle has been horrendous. I have not idea why cricinfo thought her word vomit needed to come back.

I am a bigger fan of Bavuma than many. I think he has real talent, I am unsure he has the temperament though. And part of that is his behaviour sometimes comes across as entitled, which is like nails on chalk board for me.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Petersen, Bavuma, Phehlukwayo & Hendricks will join the squad for the 4th test.

Second stays with Warriors.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Her gloating since before the CSA debacle has been horrendous. I have not idea why cricinfo thought her word vomit needed to come back.

I am a bigger fan of Bavuma than many. I think he has real talent, I am unsure he has the temperament though. And part of that is his behaviour sometimes comes across as entitled, which is like nails on chalk board for me.
Thing with Bavuma is he averaged 31 after 39 tests with one hundred. That is Boeta Dippenaar like.

Another player who really needs to bat 5 with the tempo of his batting but rarely stepped up when promoted from 6.

39 tests. That is a lot.

Hopefully leaving him out gave him the kick up the ass but his swift return shows unique treatment and it doesn't quite send the message of excellence required to win tests.

180 was good but what about the 2 innings before that. Would have been nice for him to put a run of scores together.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Thing with Bavuma is he averaged 31 after 39 tests with one hundred. That is Boeta Dippenaar like.

Another player who really needs to bat 5 with the tempo of his batting but rarely stepped up when promoted from 6.

39 tests. That is a lot.

Hopefully leaving him out gave him the kick up the ass but his swift return shows unique treatment and it doesn't quite send the message of excellence required to win tests.

180 was good but what about the 2 innings before that. Would have been nice for him to put a run of scores together.
I don't think he should be in selection mix again/yet. He is getting unique treatment and we know why. All I was commenting on is, he is treated as worse than useless by some, and he is better than that.
 

Heboric

International Debutant
Firdose is basking in the team and Faf's failure. Go on to cricinfo and everything is about the end is near and Bavuma is the saviour.

The fact of the matter is, Faf's captaincy had its moments and whilst not working with great tools it has n't been a good end for him as a captain. Outside factors may have played a role to but down on the scorecards is disappointing test series losses to Sri Lanka , India and probably England + a disastrous world cup.
I didnt bother clicking the link.

The sad thing is, when Faf retires, that hack will probably be writing the article on Cricinfo :sick: :sick:
 

Bahseph

International Debutant
Firdose is basking in the team and Faf's failure. Go on to cricinfo and everything is about the end is near and Bavuma is the saviour.

The fact of the matter is, Faf's captaincy had its moments and whilst not working with great tools it has n't been a good end for him as a captain. Outside factors may have played a role to but down on the scorecards is disappointing test series losses to Sri Lanka , India and probably England + a disastrous world cup.
It's been so bad. From one person of color to another, it's people like her that give transformation a bad name. It's almost as if she doesn't understand it, and what really needs to be done. In any aspect of transformation, the real work needs to be done at grassroots level. It's about giving opportunities for talent to grow and be molded, not giving opportunities to people who aren't cut out for it.

Faf has been a fair captain. Has had some good moments and some bad moments, but she's painting it like he has been the reason behind the teams failure,when there are clearly bigger issues at play. Really hate reading her stuff. I just check the headlines now.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Jon-Jon Smuts and Sisanda Magala aren't playing this round for the Warriors because they at a National fitness camp. That is a first. Both are overweight so it is a sign they could be in the limited overs squads.
The other 2 part of this programme is Lungi Ngidi and Tabraiz Shamsi.

CSA say they want to make sure they meet the fitness standards ahead of the limited over series.
 

OverratedSanity

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Firdose is basking in the team and Faf's failure. Go on to cricinfo and everything is about the end is near and Bavuma is the saviour.

The fact of the matter is, Faf's captaincy had its moments and whilst not working with great tools it has n't been a good end for him as a captain. Outside factors may have played a role to but down on the scorecards is disappointing test series losses to Sri Lanka , India and probably England + a disastrous world cup.
She is so bad. The fact that she's basically the only one who regularly writes about SA cricket only makes her worse and harder to ignore.
 

Rasimione

U19 Captain
I'm still wondering who came up with the idea of Dane Paterson at PE. To be honest some of the decision making around the side has been baffling to say the least.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It is going to be interesting to see what happens in this final team selection of the series.

Will they go with the 7/4 split that is needed? Or keep with the 5 bowler strategy but going back to Pretorius? If they go with 4 bowlers will they drop Maharaj at Wanderers? Does Paterson get dropped? Does Hamza get dropped? Bavuma likely to play, but Keegan Petersen may also be in with a shot? With a 5 bowler strategy that means Hendricks could play.

I think that this is the first time in the last 10 years I could not predict 10 of the 11 spots for a SA test team.
 

Bahseph

International Debutant
Think it's going to be:
1. Elgar
2. Malan
3. Hamza
4. Faf
5. Rassie
6. Bavuma
7. QDK
8. Phehlukwayo/Pretorius
9. Nortje
10. Paterson
11. Hendricks.
 

Heboric

International Debutant
What about keeping Hendricks and put Philander in place of Paterson. Also nervous about not playing a spinner
 

SeamUp

International Coach
No Faf in our 50-overs squad. It makes sense.



3 of these 5 ?
de Kock
R.Hendricks
J.Malan
Bavuma
Smuts

positions 4-7 (suppose Smuts could be here too)
van der Dussen
Miller
Verreynne
Phehlukwayo

3/1 seamer/spinner split
Magala
Sipamla
B.Hendricks
Ngidi

Fortuin
Shamsi
 
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