kyear2
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Still haven't been convinced that Sunil accomplished any thing that Hutton didn't or faced any unique conditions or opposition that Sir Len didn't
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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honestbharani
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DoG has definitely made me realize I have under rated Hobbs a lot. Other than that, it also puts into perspective the frankly unreal numbers that have been put out by Steve Smith and to a lesser extent, Sangakkara. Those were some of the eye openers for me from this exercise.
Coronis
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Would you really want Flower keeping to Murali tho? From all reports, he was a pretty average keeper.
kyear2
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Two of those are irrelevent and we can agree to disagree on the others.
Was Flower really so bad as a keeper? From what I have seen, he was a good. Hardly remember him dropping catches.
TheJediBrah
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He was bad. Selecting him as a keeper in any type of ATG side is a cardinal sin.
stephen
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Don't mistake the Zimbabwe bowlers never drawing edges for Flower not dropping catches.
Flower was passable as a keeper but nowhere near the Gilchrist/Dhoni level and they're not even the best pure keepers.
bagapath
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stephen
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Doesn't Kamran Akmal have one of the highest dismissals/test ratios ever?
stephen
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TheJediBrah
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Which has nothing to do with anything but ok
bagapath
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and how does that prove
a) Zimbabwe bowlers didn't draw edges....
b) Flower dropped catches when they rarely did...
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TheJediBrah
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was Dave Houghton a decent keeper? I know he kept but have no idea if he was a genuine keeper or an Andy Flower-esque makeshift keeper.
He makes the Zimbabwe ATG team easily regardless
He makes the Zimbabwe ATG team easily regardless
Coronis
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It doesn’t. I think he’s trying to show that catches/dismissals per innings isn’t a reliable stat.
stephen
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Just saying that the quality of the keeper is little correlation too the catches per innings of a keeper.
bagapath
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ok fair enough
I am just saying I didnt see anything in the 90s, or i dont see anything in the stats now, that reveal any weaknesses in flower's keeping. i remember him as a competent keeper. but we have had this discussion already. so i'll try and come up with some other issue to fight over...
happy new year
TheJediBrah
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I'm surprised you're still arguing it after last time, I'd have thought we came to the pretty solid conclusion that he was not a very good keeper. IIRC PEWS came in with anecdotes about a Zimbabwe cricket forum that he frequents/used to frequent talking all the time about how ordinary he was.