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*Official* England in South Africa 2019/20

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
I think Pommie summed it up nicely.

I would back Rabada to return to his best and it just feels a better pairing, Vern and Kagiso.
 
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SeamUp

International Coach
Vern is class but on these sorts of wickets I think his attacking threat minimalised. With Kesh not exactly peak they clearly want that cover of a 5th bowler. But the batting issues won't get any better. I suppose it will demand more from each batsman. But it is hard when you have Pieter, Zubs and Rassie all so new to test level.
 

Gnske

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Crawley actually playing relatively high IQ cricket compared to his skill by advancing to Philander. If he passes 30 I'll sh*t myself.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Does anyone remember the mental patient from Prison Break named Haywire?

Thats who Sibley reminds me of.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Im not trying to be completely disrespectful to Paterson here, but when was the last time South Africa opened the bowling at home with a worse bowler?

Since readmission youve come to expect a strong new ball pairing.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
All about patience. Reverse and getting players out through boredom/frustration the only way until hopefully some spin comes along. :laugh:

For all the negative rep, results still happen at PE.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
All about patience. Reverse and getting players out through boredom/frustration the only way until hopefully some spin comes along. :laugh:

For all the negative rep, results still happen at PE.
Different sort of Test cricket to normal... absolute patience by everybody is needed.

espncricinfo.com/series/10908/scorecard/1075983/south-africa-vs-australia-2nd-test-aus-tour-of-sa-2017-18

That boring partnership between Amla and Elgar that absolutely destroyed the bowlers and frustrated the Aussies. Followed by one of the great ABdV knocks.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Yeah I was originally going to answer with Lopsy but given the way he asked the question ("when was the last time...") I thought I'd go check to more sure they hadn't been any more worse than Paterson since Lopsy, and sure enough there was a Parnell game.
 
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Howe_zat

Audio File
I had no idea Charl Willoughby played Tests. I knew him as one of a cabal of saffas that took a million wickets for Leics in the 00s.

I must have been about 11 when Howe Snr first took me to a Leics game and tried to explain the concept of who was and wasn't an overseas player. I didn't understand it at the time and have still made very little progress.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
I had no idea Charl Willoughby played Tests. I knew him as one of a cabal of saffas that took a million wickets for Leics in the 00s.

I must have been about 11 when Howe Snr first took me to a Leics game and tried to explain the concept of who was and wasn't an overseas player. I didn't understand it at the time and have still made very little progress.
Being a Western Province supporter I watched a lot of him and his new ball partner Alan Dawson open the bowling together. Part of a very successful domestic team here always at the top. Both were swing bowlers and used the south-easter wind and all their smarts and then spin came in and with Claude Henderson & Paul Adams. Roger Telemachus too. Fun WP team from 2001/02 : Graeme Smith, Andrew Puttick, HD Ackerman, Jonathan Trott, Neil Johnson, Thami Tsolekile, Alan Dawson, Claude Henderson, Roger Telemachus, Paul Adams, Charl Willoughby

Charl probably just lacked that pace through the air whereas Daws had a bit of a snap which probably made him deal with international cricket a bit better.

Charl ended up with 850 FC wickets. Quality career and was even playing club cricket in Cape Town in the last couple years still.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Amazing the number of comments I am hearing with regards to the pitch. This is the oldest Test venue in SA and for at least the 30 odd years I've known it has pretty much behaved as we are seeing it, but everybody is acting in surprise.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Turgid stuff so far but a good partnership. Over rate abysmal again though, both sides awful for it all series.
 

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