DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[Cabinet96]

The guy has 12k runs @ 57 ffs. Not top 10 CV my arse.

 

[Logan]

Unfortunately there are no points for box office and charisma. The strike-rate measure tries to cover that but ultimately is just another quantitative measure.

When did strike rate become important in Tests? If I remember correctly, they weren’t that important even in the 90s.

What about cricketers who played timeless Tests? Should Sutcliffe who played Timeless Tests be penalised for having a low strike rate?

 

[Days of Grace]

When did strike rate become important in Tests? If I remember correctly, they weren’t that important even in the 90s.

What about cricketers who played timeless Tests? Should Sutcliffe who played Timeless Tests be penalised for having a low strike rate?

I don’t want to have a debate about strike-rate again. But in my mind Sutcliffe probably would have scored at the same pace regardless of the length of time he had available.

 

[Bolo.]

Sanga was a better player of pace than spin so you're both wrong

Citation needed.

 

[sunilz]

Sunilz what is your top 10/15 of test batsmen? Genuinely curious.

Bradman , Sobers, Hobbs , Sachin, Smith, Lara, Richards, Hutton, Barrington , Gavaskar ( Top 10 with 1st fixed remaining you can change)
Sutcliffe, Sangakkara, Ponting, Kallis, Hammond

 

[Logan]

The guy has 12k runs @ 57 ffs. Not top 10 CV my arse.

Sanga has a Top 10 CV easily

Don’t understand why some people want to downgrade Sanga’s achievements

A total of 12400 runs in 134 Tests at an average of 57(including 48 Tests as WK)

As a specialist batsman, Sanga average 66 with the bat in 86 Tests.

45+ average against every country.

 

[ataraxia]

Bradman , Sobers, Hobbs , Sachin, Smith, Lara, Richards, Hutton, Barrington , Gavaskar ( Top 10 with 1st fixed remaining you can change)
Sutcliffe, Sangakkara, Ponting, Kallis, Hammond

Mine is:


Braddles
Hobbs
Hutton
Grace
Sobers

Tendulkar
Hammond
Smith
Kallis
Lara

V Richards
Pollock
Barrington
Sutcliffe
Headley

B Richards
Sangakkara
Compton
Gavaskar
Ponting

Border
Ranjitsinhji
Kohli
Chappell
Flower

Approximate; I may have missed someone.

 

[sunilz]

Statistically Ashwin is a better bowler than Warne. He also has better record than Warne if you consider performance vs countries. However we know his performance in SENA countries. While Sangakkara is not Ashwin, neither he is top 10 imo.

 

[trundler]

Sanga > Barrington surely. Had more strings to his bow and played multiple ATG knocks. Sanga was surely a more impactful batsman in general. Whilst Barrington is generally underrated, here on CW we've started overrating him in a weird reactionary way imo.

 

[ataraxia]

Sanga > Barrington surely. Had more strings to his bow and played multiple ATG knocks. Sanga was surely a more impactful batsman in general. Whilst Barrington is generally underrated, here on CW we've started overrating him in a weird reactionary way imo.

Yeah that was very approximate on my part; I forgot many. The problem is that I hold that Sutcliffe is better than Sanga and Barrington is slightly better than Sutcliffe.

 

[ataraxia]

Sanga has a Top 10 CV easily

Don’t understand why some people want to downgrade Sanga’s achievements

A total of 12400 runs in 134 Tests at an average of 57(including 48 Tests as WK)

As a specialist batsman, Sanga average 66 with the bat in 86 Tests.

45+ average against every country.

And now Logan, your challenge is to prove using your method that Tendulkar > Sanga as a batsman.

 

[Migara]

Citation needed.

You can take the word of a countryman for it. He was shockingly bad against spin to start with, and then improved steadily over the career.

 

[Coronis]

Bradman , Sobers, Hobbs , Sachin, Smith, Lara, Richards, Hutton, Barrington , Gavaskar ( Top 10 with 1st fixed remaining you can change)
Sutcliffe, Sangakkara, Ponting, Kallis, Hammond

So basically this list except swap Gavaskar and Sanga. You must be very happy with the top of the list!

 

[h_hurricane]

Happy and relieved that King Viv is in top 10. My favorite batsman ever. Below match is a prime example of why Strike Rate matters in tests as well.

West Indies needed 172 to win in 26 overs or so, considered to be impossible in that era. Viv went on a rampage and scored 61 of 36. WI wouldn't have won it without that innings.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ia-1st-test-india-tour-of-west-indies-1982-83

 

[Gob]

Did Greig Chappell come up? Sorry for randomly dropping and asking this question

 

[h_hurricane]

Did Greig Chappell come up? Sorry for randomly dropping and asking this question

Yep, no.22.

 

[Coronis]

Did Greig Chappell come up? Sorry for randomly dropping and asking this question

Yeah he lost out a bit for the missed tours and the time he missed from WSC.

 

[Migara]

Sangakkara has total 5 century in AUS, SA, ENG and IND. One can also say that a major reason for this is that he played less test in these countries. In this regard he is similar to Greg Chappell although Sangakkara didn't pick and choose tours. However his CV is not of a top 10 test batsman.

It would have been not for his keeping duties. 40 odd matches as the keeper.

 

[Burgey]

Happy and relieved that King Viv is in top 10. My favorite batsman ever. Below match is a prime example of why Strike Rate matters in tests as well.

West Indies needed 172 to win in 26 overs or so, considered to be impossible in that era. Viv went on a rampage and scored 61 of 36. WI wouldn't have won it without that innings.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ia-1st-test-india-tour-of-west-indies-1982-83

He’s easily the most destructive player I’ve ever seen. And by miles. Makes blokes like Gilchrist seem like plodders.

 

[Bolo.]

You can take the word of a countryman for it. He was shockingly bad against spin to start with, and then improved steadily over the career.

His stats don't support this though. Nor does the very flawed sample I saw.of him. Possibly a case of judging him relative to his countrymen because he was leagues ahead of them vs pace and comparable vs spin? I know I have done the reverse with Kallis in the past, who I considered a significantly better player of spin than pace.