*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2019/20

[Gnske]

Pretty unfair for the kiwis to be complaining that their spinner had been ineffective at Perth. Not even Warne took wickets over there.

In fact Williamson seems to trust his spinner very little, similarly to how Ponting used to treat spinners who weren't Warne.

I'm glad you picked up on this.

It really is abject and pathetic, the lack of understanding and patience that Williamson has for his leading test spinner. Santner could very well feel the heat from that if he feels the captain isn't on his side.

 

[Daemon]

This Australian side is beginning to gel as a batting unit. I really like that Wade gutsed out a 38 even when he was obviously struggling. It's innings liked those that turn team scores from 250 to 350, which is often three difference between a win and a loss in test match cricket.

Actively batting poorly and not getting out because of luck is not called gutsing it out. Very handy 38 runs though.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but because you didn’t mention that warne struggled against India YOU ARE A MASSIVE HYPOCRITE

Still sad..

 

[Pup Clarke]

Because he's probably not a Williamson selection...

He's working with what he's got, and it's pretty obvious that Stead/Larsen are infatuated with Santner.

 

[Gnske]

Deservedly so, he's a cricketer of many uses. It's not their fault they've handed Kane a deadly blade which he keeps using improperly.

His captaincy should come under serious question over Santner imo.

 

[Gob]

Deservedly so, he's a cricketer of many uses. It's not their fault they've handed Kane a deadly blade which he keeps using improperly.

His captaincy should come under serious question over Santner imo.

Bloke bowls darts. What do you expect your captain to do

 

[Gnske]

You can set a field to any bowling if you're good.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Three words

Not Mark Craig

Prior to his horror tour to Australia in 2015 Mark Craig had actually bowled NZ to test wins.

Santner has never taken more than a 3 fer in first class cricket.


Mitchell Santner is a worse test cricketer than Mitchell Marsh.

Both Mitchells are excellent ODI players though.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I know it's been suggested before (can't recall if it was you or someone else) that whichever spin option NZ selects is unlikely to make much impact, and that might well be true. However, in the last 1 year Santner has been completely outbowled by Ajaz and Somerville - when all three played together in the first test in Lanka he was by far the least effective. So it's more frustration (rightly so IMO) at the selection policy and management of NZ's spin resources. The other reasons have been pretty much covered in detail above.

Somerville is the one guy who I could see doing better. People suggesting Astle are kidding themselves though. He would go for mountains of runs and any wickets he takes would be incidental. Did they not just see what happened to Yasir Shah a month ago?

 

[Burgey]

Actively batting poorly and not getting out because of luck is not called gutsing it out. Very handy 38 runs though.

This is a tragically poor take tbh, and I say that as someone who dislikes Wade.

 

[aussie tragic]

Anyone else looking for a Smith 300 today

 

[Immenso]

Similar pattern to Perth test so far. Expect Aus to bat 5 sessions again, but expect NZs batting to be a bit better this time on a lower pitch and having been in country for longer. Even if still not actually played enough cricket though. So will still get rolled , but can add an extra 50-70 to NZ Perth totals I reckon. Nz, still a batsman short imo.

 

[Burgey]

Needs another 135 to pass Marnus for leading run scorer for the year. Get on

 

[Shady Slim]

i said to a mate during the pakistan series marnus’s hook shot leave was going to get him to trouble and though he didn’t get on a real pronounced one i feel real vindicated

still looking for smith to press on but cynically expecting head to screw up and to throw away his wicket but on a pitch like this he might be able to do something finally

 

[Gnske]

Prior to his horror tour to Australia in 2015 Mark Craig had actually bowled NZ to test wins.

Santner has never taken more than a 3 fer in first class cricket.


Mitchell Santner is a worse test cricketer than Mitchell Marsh.

Both Mitchells are excellent ODI players though.

He bullied a subpar Windies team and couldn't get out their finest player, and was gifted wickets by a Pakistan side who clearly had little interest in playing given the events of the 27th of November 2014. Then the Gabba the next year came and we saw Mark Craig bowl so many long hops that even Usman Khawaja thought he could play spin, three years before he could.

The point is, Mark Craig took wickets when their value was at an all time low. The price of wickets now is substantially higher, and the test of a spinner has never been greater. The real test will be Kane's captaincy and willingness to actually back his man.

 

[Flem274*]

okeefe may have said it as patronisingly 'nz are secretly bad because aus conditions are everything' as possible but he did have a point today.

some aus decks (thinking perth 2015 in particular) nullify everything except extreme pace and wagnerball. bit of a shame lockie broke so soon.

since boult was unwilling or unable to launch the 'hit the deck around 140' spell that's made him more effective in asia and nz with the old ball he was one dimensional today.

it was very funny watching cdg cause so many problems bowling so slowly on a flattening deck.

i think aus will cause issues because they're quicker and can render the deck irrelevant.

santa is trash and always has been with a red ball. if they want a left armer who is hard to hit on motorways then i point to the fc career of ajaz patel.

 

[SteveNZ]

He bullied a subpar Windies team and couldn't get out their finest player, and was gifted wickets by a Pakistan side who clearly had little interest in playing given the events of the 27th of November 2014. Then the Gabba the next year came and we saw Mark Craig bowl so many long hops that even Usman Khawaja thought he could play spin, three years before he could.

The point is, Mark Craig took wickets when their value was at an all time low. The price of wickets now is substantially higher, and the test of a spinner has never been greater. The real test will be Kane's captaincy and willingness to actually back his man.

With all respect, you know very little about NZ cricket. This is really well off the mark,mind the pun.

 

[Immenso]

okeefe may have said it as patronisingly 'nz are secretly bad because aus conditions are everything' as possible but he did have a point today.

some aus decks (thinking perth 2015 in particular) nullify everything except extreme pace and wagnerball. bit of a shame lockie broke so soon.

since boult was unwilling or unable to launch the 'hit the deck around 140' spell that's made him more effective in asia and nz with the old ball he was one dimensional today.

it was very funny watching cdg cause so many problems bowling so slowly on a flattening deck.

i think aus will cause issues because they're quicker and can render the deck irrelevant.

santa is trash and always has been with a red ball. if they want a left armer who is hard to hit on motorways then i point to the fc career of ajaz patel.

Tbh, I think Santner is part of a CDG package. They want a SLA who is hard to hit on motorways who can also bat to lengthen the order with keeper at 6. Problem is Santner is diabolical v pace and especially bounce so its rendered pointless by a no-prep tour to Aus.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I actually thought Williamson could have kept Santner on after he got plundered for the two sixes, but it was more of a “see if the batsmen get carried away and do something stupid” hope than actually backing his abilities.

 

[Athlai]

With all respect, you know very little about NZ cricket. This is really well off the mark,mind the pun.

He's trolling you ffs.