The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Red]

FWIW, if you isolate the top run scorers at 5 and 6 in ODIs, Symonds is arguably the best of the lot.

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[ataraxia]

FWIW, if you isolate the top run scorers at 5 and 6 in ODIs, Symonds is arguably the best of the lot.

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Interesting seeing Angelo Mathews' average there.

 

[Spark]

On a different topic, how do people rate Clarke as an ODI batsman? I was genuinely surprised to find that his away from home average is literally top 7 of all time. He captained a world cup win and was a genuinely good fielder. But he's not often talked about as being an ATG. Why is that so?

He had a period of 3-4 years in the middle of his career, basically between the 2007 and 2011 WCs, where he was pretty boring at best and actively slow at worst. He was always pretty solid and dependable, but never really played that many innings that stick in the memory. Very consistent ODI batsman though.

 

[honestbharani]

FWIW, if you isolate the top run scorers at 5 and 6 in ODIs, Symonds is arguably the best of the lot.

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I always think in ODIs especially positions 4-7 should be interchangeable and fluid. Funnily enough, when you apply that criteria, Symonds goes back to the very middle of the pack.


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[stephen]

I always think in ODIs especially positions 4-7 should be interchangeable and fluid. Funnily enough, when you apply that criteria, Symonds goes back to the very middle of the pack.


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But of the guys ahead of him on average only three have a higher strike rate - ABDV, Buttler and sir Vivian bloody Richards.

Hardly middle of the pack.

 

[honestbharani]

Coz that SR difference does not make up for the average difference. Especially when you consider them as overall MO batsmen, which means a variety of situations are possible.

 

[stephen]

Coz that SR difference does not make up for the average difference. Especially when you consider them as overall MO batsmen, which means a variety of situations are possible.

I'm not sure who you're referring to?

Most of the batsmen who have higher averages than Symonds on that list had a career more recently than Symonds and still struck slower than him. The ones who didn't are the three listed before.

Unless you're arguing that all the specialist number 4s on this list who struck in the 80s in the last 10 years are better than a guy who did it a decade earlier at a strike rate in the 90s?

 

[Shady Slim]

there’s something to be said about symonds too, he did have that destructive manner and swagger the greats have

 

[aussie tragic]

Cricket.com has named a team of the decade.
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/fea...arner-de-villiers-steyn-statistics/2019-12-23

Cook
Warner
Williamson
Smith
Kohli (c)
De Villiers (+)
Stokes
Steyn
Broad
Lyon
Anderson

 

[srbhkshk]

Cricket.com has named a team of the decade.
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/fea...arner-de-villiers-steyn-statistics/2019-12-23

Cook
Warner
Williamson
Smith
Kholi (c)
De Villiers (+)
Stokes
Steyn
Broad
Lyon
Anderson

Fair enough side, a better batsman at 8 would be nice though. Maybe Ashwin for Lyon. Good on them for continuing the tradition of misspelling Kohli's name.

 

[aussie tragic]

Fair enough side, a better batsman at 8 would be nice though. Maybe Ashwin for Lyon. Good on them for continuing the tradition of misspelling Kohli's name.

Oops, that was my typo

 

[srbhkshk]

Oops, that was my typo

Good on you then. :P

 

[_00_deathscar]

That middle order is truly ATG.

 

[Logan]

Ashwin over Lyon.

Boult over Broad.

 

[Logan]

Vernon Philander announces retirement from Test cricket. A very clever bowler who made the best use of his strengths. In the right conditions, he was an unplayable bowler.

 

[_00_deathscar]

A very clever bowler who made the best use of his strengths. In the right conditions, he was an unplayable bowler.

That's enough about Anderson. What do you think of Philander's retirement?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lmao @ Verona philander

 

[Logan]

My bad Autocorrect

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The BBC has a pick your England team of the decade running on their website. The opener options are scary. Cook of course, but after that I think Strauss will probably get in even though his appearances in this decade were limited.

England team of the decade

 

[aussie tragic]

Yep, 2nd opener and 3rd pacer were a bit tough. Went with this from the available options

Cook
Strauss
Bell
Root
Pietersen
Stokes
Prior
Ali
Broad
Finn
Anderson