The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Spark]

I can’t honestly see the logic in picking Warne over Saqlain or Murali in ODIs.

Not interested in arguing or debating. Just sayin.

So, yeah, this thing you keep doing in this thread where you go "I have one opinion and I literally cannot see how you could have an alternative opinion?"

It needs to end.

 

[ankitj]

If you put Klusener at 8 then you have to pick a weaker batsman at 7 like Dev/Afridi so there's no loss in overall bowling strength. It's a bit odd.

This is me personally:

Rohit
Tendulkar
Viv
Kohli
AB
Buttler
Klusener
Akram
Murali
McGrath
Garner

Great team. I would just replace Rohit with Gordon Greenidge.

 

[Daemon]

Great team. I would just replace Rohit with Gordon Greenidge.

Any reason?

Their careers overlapped and Greenidge played twice as many games, but he was significantly slower than Abbass, whos frankly ridiculous stats wouldn't even be out of place in today's era.

 

[trundler]

Miyagi was a true visionary and we're all fools for doubting him. Buttler > the rest

 

[OverratedSanity]

Miyagi was a moron. Buttler > Dhoni wasn't really an indefensible position even when he posted it.

 

[ankitj]

Any reason?

Their careers overlapped and Greenidge played twice as many games, but he was significantly slower than Abbass, whos frankly ridiculous stats wouldn't even be out of place in today's era.

Greenidge was a superb limited over batsman. While his strike rate is lower, it may have to do with expectations from an opener. He was by all accounts an attacking batsman. One stat that always stood out for me was that he was next only to Viv Richards in number of matches per MoM award (it may have changed more recently with Kohli). That's quite something given how many other legends he would have had to compete with for the award.

Abbas is superb too. I rate him really really highly, above say Ponting. Until emergence of de Villiers and Kohli as ATG middle order batsmen, I used to have Abbas and Dean Jones in my XI.

BTW, here is an amazing bit of stat in favour of Rohit. He has scored at least one score of 150+ in each of last 7 calendar years:

2013 - Rohit (209)
2014 - Rohit (264)
2015 - Rohit (150)
2016 - Rohit (171*)
2017 - Rohit (208*)
2018 - Rohit (162)
2019 - ROHIT (159)

 

[Prince EWS]

Any reason?

Their careers overlapped and Greenidge played twice as many games, but he was significantly slower than Abbass, whos frankly ridiculous stats wouldn't even be out of place in today's era.

Abbas just not being an opener would be the reason I suppose.

Rohit's been the second best opener in history IMO but I do like the idea of Tendulkar's partner being a bit more aggressive. Watson and Jayasuriya both appeal to me as they give a bit of serious bowling insurance, which I think is particularly important if you pick Klusener at 7. I kind of envisage the step up from regular ODI cricket to whatever sort of competition this team would play in to be similar to the step up from domestic OD to ODI cricket, and as such I don't think I'd really see Klusener as a frontliner bowler. He'd have similar effectiveness to Watson or Jayasuriya with the ball against a team of absolute guns IMO.

My favourite alternatives to Klusener are pretty flawed too though. Pollock has a pretty good batting record and played some top knocks down the order in ODIs but he rarely batted above eight (although I think he could have), and I think promoting someone at the same time as you're taking them up a level is kind of frought with danger. Flintoff has the opposite problem in that he only really batted well at #5 and it'd feel really stupid having him come in ahead of de Villiers and Dhoni just to make sure he had a role he could be decent in. I think Kapil was an inferior ODI cricketer to all these players but probably more suited to the role.

 

[ankitj]

In my own XI I usually pick Watson as opener and can be open to Jayasuriya too (earlier I was just endorsing a different team). Although having a slightly lesser batsman opening with Tendulkar feels wrong because the opener will deprive Viv Richards, Kohli and de Villiers of lot of balls to bat.

 

[Burgey]

I really think Watson is massively over rated as a LO player around here tbh. Cite whatever stats you want, I always got the impression he'd get out every other ball and was a handy fifth bowler sometimes at best.

 

[mr_mister]

I won't cite stats but I remember a couple of his massive unbeaten 150+ scores in successful chases. Made batting look so easy at times

 

[mr_mister]

Scorecard - 2010-2011 Bangladesh v Australia - 11/04/2011

Like you have to say if Australia were batting first hed be odds on for a triple ton that day. I watched it live and it was ridiculous

 

[ankitj]

^That's when Dhoni lost his record for highest score in ODIs for a batsman while batting second.

 

[ankitj]

Was Smith playing as a bowler in that game?

 

[Daemon]

Scorecard - 2010-2011 Bangladesh v Australia - 11/04/2011

Like you have to say if Australia were batting first hed be odds on for a triple ton that day. I watched it live and it was ridiculous

Haha yes, this was his greatest knock imo. Up there with the AB's fastest 100 against WI in terms of brutality.

 

[mr_mister]

Is it the highest % of a team total a batsman has ever got internationally? Surely would give Bannerman a run for his money

 

[Daemon]

Is it the highest % of a team total a batsman has ever got internationally? Surely would give Bannerman a run for his money

Fair chance the opposition openers in one of those <10 all out Maldive Women games could've got close to 100% lol

 

[Spark]

Was Smith playing as a bowler in that game?

Smith at that stage was your classic "bits and pieces" ODI player. Surprisingly useful bowler, handy finisher if you needed a late order spark, gun fielder, but didn't hold down a place on any single discipline. His ODI record was actually pretty poor until he was recalled in 2014 - was averaging about 24. Then he dominated for about 18 months, culminating in the WC, and for that period replicated his Test form in ODIs.

 

[Spark]

Haha yes, this was his greatest knock imo. Up there with the AB's fastest 100 against WI in terms of brutality.

My overriding memory of watching this was that it was very, very, very funny, and it was a crying shame that Bangladesh hadn't put on ~300+ so we could watch Watson getting like 270.

I think Watson'd make the Aus ATXI, and given the historical success of the Aus ODI team, that's no small feat.

 

[vcs]

Fair chance the opposition openers in one of those <10 all out Maldive Women games could've got close to 100% lol

Mali Women

 

[mr_mister]

My overriding memory of watching this was that it was very, very, very funny, and it was a crying shame that Bangladesh hadn't put on ~300+ so we could watch Watson getting like 270.

I think Watson'd make the Aus ATXI, and given the historical success of the Aus ODI team, that's no small feat.

Yeah I remember being so annoyed watching it they only posted 229. He only needed 260-270 to get his 200 that day