The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[ataraxia]

I’d have no problem at all rating Barrington as the 5th greatest English test batsman.

6th best for me. Ofc Hutton, Hobbs, and Hammond are ahead of him, then I also rate Grace and Ranji. That said Barrington was incredibly good, just I have 4 English batsmen in my world XI. Barrington's overseas record is absolutely incredible.

 

[OverratedSanity]

6th best for me. Ofc Hutton, Hobbs, and Hammond are ahead of him, then I also rate Grace and Ranjj. That said Barrington was incredibly good, just I have 4 English batsmen in my world XI. Barrington's overseas record is absolutely incredible.

Sutcliffe

 

[Coronis]

6th best for me. Ofc Hutton, Hobbs, and Hammond are ahead of him, then I also rate Grace and Ranjj. That said Barrington was incredibly good, just I have 4 English batsmen in my world XI. Barrington's overseas record is absolutely incredible.

Yeah I particularly mentioned tests due to Grace. Ranji is definitely up there too.

 

[Logan]

I’d have no problem at all rating Barrington as the 5th greatest English test batsman.

Behind the four “H” - Hutton, Hammond, Herbert Sutcliffe and Hobbs I guess

 

[Coronis]

Barrington hit 27 sixes in test cricket By all indications, he was a flamboyant stroke player who curbed his natural instincts to become highly successful.

Nailed it.

 

[Malcolm]

Barrington hit 27 sixes in test cricket By all indications, he was a flamboyant stroke player who curbed his natural instincts to become highly successful.

Kallis has hit almost 100 sixes at a much better sixes/inns rate than his contemporary greats.

 

[h_hurricane]

Kallis has hit almost 100 sixes at a much better sixes/inns rate than his contemporary greats.

True. Imran as well hit a lot of sixes. Had a reputation for "tuk, tuk, tuk" for a long time and then go for the big one.

 

[smash84]

True. Imran as well hit a lot of sixes. Had a reputation for "tuk, tuk, tuk" for a long time and then go for the big one.

are you confusing him with Misbah?

 

[h_hurricane]

are you confusing him with Misbah?

Not really. Imran hit 55 sixes in tests but had a strike rate of around 40 (from what I read in an article a few years back).

 

[smash84]

Not really. Imran hit 55 sixes in tests but had a strike rate of around 40 (from what I read in an article a few years back).

I don't recall imran having a reputation for hitting sixes in tests, although i do recall him having a reputation for hitting big sixes in ODIs.

but misbah had this habit of tuk, tuk, tuk,...tuk, 6. Used to do that very often

 

[honestbharani]

Sidhu was the original master of that. He only ever had two shots against the spinners, the forward defense and the down the track six.

 

[ataraxia]

Sutcliffe

I actually think Barrington is slightly better than Sutcliffe. However, the latter makes my XI because of his partnership with Hobbs.

 

[marc71178]

Not the same workload but Kallis bowled more overs in tests than Sobers, Steyn, Wasim and many other ATG bowlers. He also played tons of ODIs.

So how exactly is 20232 a bigger number than 21599?

When you consider 166 games against 93 it's obvious who had the heavier workload.

 

[marc71178]

On what basis?

Dhoni is a much better option.

 

[Red]

Dhoni is a much better option.

No he isn't.

 

[sunilz]

Rohit and Dhoni(WK) is a much better ODI combo than Gilchrist(WK) and Bevan . No way Gilchrist is a better ODI batsman than Rohit . AFAIC Gilchrist is permanently out of ODI ATXI spot.

 

[CricAddict]

Rohit and Dhoni(WK) is a much better ODI combo than Gilchrist(WK) and Bevan . No way Gilchrist is a better ODI batsman than Rohit . AFAIC Gilchrist is permanently out of ODI ATXI spot.

To me, Jayasuriya or Rohit + Dhoni and Gilchrist + Bevan combination almost bring the same set of super values to the table and all are equals. No way to rate one combination better than the other. Gilchrist's ODI average looks poor only because he was the aggressor in a strong stable batting line-up. He is much better than that average.

 

[ataraxia]

Tendulkar
Bradman
Kohli
Grace
Sobers
de Villiers
Dhoni +

I have no real idea about ODI bowling, but that is my AT ODI batting lineup. Obviously different to a normal ODI XI but I like this more.

 

[sunilz]

To me, Jayasuriya or Rohit + Dhoni and Gilchrist + Bevan combination almost bring the same set of super values to the table and all are equals. No way to rate one combination better than the other. Gilchrist's ODI average looks poor only because he was the aggressor in a strong stable batting line-up. He is much better than that average.

Sehwag was also a much better ODI batsman than his average . So, let Sehwag and Tendulkar open in ATXI and Dhoni be the wkt according to your logic.

 

[ataraxia]

Sehwag was also a much better ODI batsman than his average . So, let Sehwag and Tendulkar open in ATXI and Dhoni be the wkt according to your logic.

You know what, let's include Tim Seifert solely because he is better than his average according to your logic. Brilliant misrepresentation.