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*Official* England in New Zealand 2019
- Thread starter theegyptian
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Sub fielders can very definitely keep. DK came out to keep in Jo'burg when Parthiv was injured.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Full credit to New Zealand. They’ve exposed everything that’s inadequate about this England team. Joe Root as captain has exposed himself (metaphorically speaking).
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Back in the day they had to get permission from the opposition captain, which was typically granted. I think they may have changed that too now though.
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
New selection strategy for every test: announce that everyone is droppable and this game is your final chance.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah it was changed sometime in late 2017 and Jan 2018 was the Ind V SA series. I think DK might have been the first specialist sub wicket keeper post the new law.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Personally I think Broad has to offer more than he does here. It's not good enough when it's flat for him to just dob in on a length at 79mph even if he is economical. Realistically you have to expect more from a guy with 132 tests behind him. And he's also not pulling his weight with the overs bowled compared to some of the other bowlers.
Certainly going to be an issue when Anderson comes back. They both have the tendency to dob it down at 80mph these days. You can't have both of them in the team away from home imo (except in extreme instances).
With Broad I sometimes think it's a case of complacency. When people challenge his place in the side he puts in a big effort, but here when there is a lack of experience in the bowling backup so his place in the team isn't under threat he bowls within himself. Also wickets that are flat he tends to almost moderate his efforts which is fine in theory but sometimes you need a big effort at the start of a session or at a pivotal time - It also tends to filter through to the other bowlers. The start of day 3 was an example. He was barely running to the crease and bowling in the mid 120s, and whilst he was pretty accurate and didn't give anything away he didn't offer a threat.
Ramprakash's view were also interesting from the other day about the team/
"It has been an area England have struggled with for a number of years because of the number of introverted, quiet personalities they have - sometimes they lack a spark visually"
"The pitch was benign but somehow you need several people to create a bit of spark"
It does seem to ring true. Apart from Stoke there really don't seem to be many players with an edge there or with extroverted personalities. It's difficult because there are 7 guys who haven't played that much test cricket in the side so you wouldn't expect too many demonstrable figures among them because they don't have the confidence of their positions in the side. Of the regulars Root has had to dim his cheeky chap demeanour in favour of a more serious figure as captain which doesn't seem to fit naturally, Buttler seems a nice guy with not much to be said for themselves, and Broad's edge seens to have diminished over the years and has become more agreeable to the masses. Anderson at least seems to be regularly up for the battle, even if some of his angst is misjudged and he can come off petulant.
Certainly going to be an issue when Anderson comes back. They both have the tendency to dob it down at 80mph these days. You can't have both of them in the team away from home imo (except in extreme instances).
With Broad I sometimes think it's a case of complacency. When people challenge his place in the side he puts in a big effort, but here when there is a lack of experience in the bowling backup so his place in the team isn't under threat he bowls within himself. Also wickets that are flat he tends to almost moderate his efforts which is fine in theory but sometimes you need a big effort at the start of a session or at a pivotal time - It also tends to filter through to the other bowlers. The start of day 3 was an example. He was barely running to the crease and bowling in the mid 120s, and whilst he was pretty accurate and didn't give anything away he didn't offer a threat.
Ramprakash's view were also interesting from the other day about the team/
"It has been an area England have struggled with for a number of years because of the number of introverted, quiet personalities they have - sometimes they lack a spark visually"
"The pitch was benign but somehow you need several people to create a bit of spark"
It does seem to ring true. Apart from Stoke there really don't seem to be many players with an edge there or with extroverted personalities. It's difficult because there are 7 guys who haven't played that much test cricket in the side so you wouldn't expect too many demonstrable figures among them because they don't have the confidence of their positions in the side. Of the regulars Root has had to dim his cheeky chap demeanour in favour of a more serious figure as captain which doesn't seem to fit naturally, Buttler seems a nice guy with not much to be said for themselves, and Broad's edge seens to have diminished over the years and has become more agreeable to the masses. Anderson at least seems to be regularly up for the battle, even if some of his angst is misjudged and he can come off petulant.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Yep that's a really good point. The first session yesterday in particular was very quiet - little encouragement from those in the ring and conventional field settings.
On that wicket, you might as well of asked Broad to bowl cutters with Buttler up to the stumps - have two guys catching on either side (short cover/short midwicket) to try and induce Watling to play a touch early, but no
Thought Curran bowled ok and consistently pitched the ball up to the bat - but all the other bowlers were just too short, and posed little threat
On that wicket, you might as well of asked Broad to bowl cutters with Buttler up to the stumps - have two guys catching on either side (short cover/short midwicket) to try and induce Watling to play a touch early, but no
Thought Curran bowled ok and consistently pitched the ball up to the bat - but all the other bowlers were just too short, and posed little threat
Neil Young
State Vice-Captain
This aged well.
I get the Santner disapproval - hell, I was part of it. As a bowler, he's not got anything more than Ajaz or Somerville bring to the table. As a batsman, he's got obvious inefficiencies.
But the guy just performs. He's one of those cricketers who scores runs and takes wickets, no matter how much you think he doesn't bring enough to the table. And now that I think about it, he's exactly the sort of guy you want in your side. Our side is absolutely full of resolve, it's a unit, it's a team that is never beaten.
Contrast that with England, with whom it's funny to say it about a world champion side (yes that's their ODI outfit but it's the same organisation) but they just don't seem particularly up for a fight. As Burgey quite rightly said, Archer is never going to die of a heart attack. Broad fancies it when he gets an early sniff, but after that not so much. Stokes aside, who's going to dig in today? Leach was such a key wicket last night because he's probably one of only a couple who will dig in, the rest of them you'd figure would want to post a personal score as much as save a Test.
But the guy just performs. He's one of those cricketers who scores runs and takes wickets, no matter how much you think he doesn't bring enough to the table. And now that I think about it, he's exactly the sort of guy you want in your side. Our side is absolutely full of resolve, it's a unit, it's a team that is never beaten.
Contrast that with England, with whom it's funny to say it about a world champion side (yes that's their ODI outfit but it's the same organisation) but they just don't seem particularly up for a fight. As Burgey quite rightly said, Archer is never going to die of a heart attack. Broad fancies it when he gets an early sniff, but after that not so much. Stokes aside, who's going to dig in today? Leach was such a key wicket last night because he's probably one of only a couple who will dig in, the rest of them you'd figure would want to post a personal score as much as save a Test.
Lol. He's having an excellent game-and I'm happy for him.
Does not change that it's probably his first really good performance in test cricket. After endless chances.
Ajaz and sommerville still need to be the 2 spinners that tour Australia as they are both considerably better than santner.
Lol he's had 1 good game. Out of a lot. He is still a crap test player despite this test.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Back at work after watching day 3 and most of day 4, some observations:
Broad did a useful 3rd seamer role, but was surprised that he used short ball spells as his only variation to length bowling. Archer and Stokes were more suited to short stuff, thought Broad might try fuller + cutters with short fielders in front of the wicket.
Stokes was impressive apart from the dropped catch. Very strangely under-used for first and second sessions day 3. Great spell to Santner after tea day 3, Wagner-esque control of short ball at chest - shoulder height, Santner lucky to survive. Interesting to see Stoke's reaction when at leg gully when Watling leg glance from Curran went low but catchable between him and the keeper - clenched fists in frustration, looked like he thought he had identified a weakness of Watling, had pursuaded Root that he should field there, and was frustrated he didn't get a chance to make up for day 3 drop.
I thought NZ should have accelerated more after lunch day 4, but Kane has strong thoughts about the tempo of the team across a match (often more conservative than media), and hasn't got it wrong often.
Broad did a useful 3rd seamer role, but was surprised that he used short ball spells as his only variation to length bowling. Archer and Stokes were more suited to short stuff, thought Broad might try fuller + cutters with short fielders in front of the wicket.
Stokes was impressive apart from the dropped catch. Very strangely under-used for first and second sessions day 3. Great spell to Santner after tea day 3, Wagner-esque control of short ball at chest - shoulder height, Santner lucky to survive. Interesting to see Stoke's reaction when at leg gully when Watling leg glance from Curran went low but catchable between him and the keeper - clenched fists in frustration, looked like he thought he had identified a weakness of Watling, had pursuaded Root that he should field there, and was frustrated he didn't get a chance to make up for day 3 drop.
I thought NZ should have accelerated more after lunch day 4, but Kane has strong thoughts about the tempo of the team across a match (often more conservative than media), and hasn't got it wrong often.
