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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Coronis

International Coach
For sure, it needs to be flat to do something like that but it wasn't a complete highway. Sri Lanka could only manage 300 odd in both innings.

It's just that Bradman scoring 300 in a day is held up as this extraordinary achievement, when really what sehwag did purely in terms of rapid scoring was even more impressive. He got 284 in 79 overs which boggles the mind.
Would be nice if over rates increased tho. Lazy ass modern athletes.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
Back then around 240-odd perhaps. Over-rates have decreased significantly (look at Hutton's 364).. Maybe even higher than 250 considering that time.
 

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
FWIW Charles Davis has scored other fast innings from around Jessop's era:

- Frank Woolley scored 305* in 210 minutes (MCC v Tasmania) off 235 balls (72 overs bowled)
- Victor Trumper scored 293 in 180 minutes (Australians v Canterbury) off 252 balls (71 overs bowled)
- Charles Macartney scored 345 in 235 minutes (Australians v Nottinghamshire) off 274 balls (85 overs bowled)

Jessop's 191 in 90 minutes is maybe even more impressive (he reckoned he hit at least seven other 4s which would now be 6s in that innings).
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kid you need to watch that Ashes. Or at least mojo's wickets on YouTube. He got the crazy eyes then and looked like he had eaten Steyn.
Depends which Johnson is playing. At his best he was as good as anyone in history. At his worst he was 90s Indian pacer level of bad.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Kid you need to watch that Ashes. Or at least mojo's wickets on YouTube. He got the crazy eyes then and looked like he had eaten Steyn.
Peak Johnson was ridiculous, but who knows if you’d get peak Johnson.

FWIW Charles Davis has scored other fast innings from around Jessop's era:

- Frank Woolley scored 305* in 210 minutes (MCC v Tasmania) off 235 balls (72 overs bowled)
- Victor Trumper scored 293 in 180 minutes (Australians v Canterbury) off 252 balls (71 overs bowled)
- Charles Macartney scored 345 in 235 minutes (Australians v Nottinghamshire) off 274 balls (85 overs bowled)

Jessop's 191 in 90 minutes is maybe even more impressive (he reckoned he hit at least seven other 4s which would now be 6s in that innings).
The Golden Age indeed.
 

OverratedSanity

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Murali was probably the greatest line and length bowler tbh. People for some reason associate it exclusively with pacers, when it's probably more difficult to do when you're putting absurd revs on the ball, and murali barely ever bowled bad balls.
 

Logan

U19 Captain
I didn’t say Garner was a better bowler. Just said Garner was the best line and length bowler. I have seen metronome bowlers like McGrath, Ambrose and Pollock being dominated at times. But I don’t know or have never heard of Garner being dominated by any batsman
 
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vcs

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I can't remember anyone really going after Ambrose in any format TBH. McGrath might have been attacked on a few occasions by Lara/Tendulkar/Razzaq/Pietersen.
 

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
All I could remember about anyone 'dominating' Ambrose was Kambli hitting a six of him 1996 WC and Inzy doing the same in a 2000 test match. He was that good..
 

OverratedSanity

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All I could remember about anyone 'dominating' Ambrose was Kambli hitting a six of him 1996 WC and Inzy doing the same in a 2000 test match. He was that good..
Haha I remember that Inzi six. Smashed him out of the ground like he was a club bowler, ambrose's face was hilarious.

Although if you want to cheat you could mention sangakkara smashing him in that sachin vs Warne exhibition game. What a dick sanga is.
 
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h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
I kind of agree with the rest of Logan's post. Garner had a nasty in between length from which the ball would shoot off at an unplayable length to the batsman due to his height. The most un-hittable bowler of them all.He never needed express pace when he had that kind of a skill. Criminally under-rated in this forum and a top six bowler of all time for me.
 

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