Australian Domestic Season 2019/20

[NUFAN]

Btw Swepson got a hattrick!! I think a Shield hatty deserves a mention - all LBW

 

[mr_mister]

Patto in the test side at 7

Basically batted better this match than the top 7 in the Pak trial game

 

[stephen]

Doolan finally dismissed. Decent match he's had.

 

[TheJediBrah]

What's happened to the Chadd this game

 

[NUFAN]

Why the hell did Tasmania declare? Their only realistic chance of winning was to get a first innings lead.

I'm really perplexed at Tasmania's declaration. There are no bonus points after the first innings so all that declaring does is give SA a shot at winning. There is no advantage at all possible for Tasmania. And Doolan didn't get a shot at the double ton.

77 needed with 18 overs remaining. Thoughts on the logic now?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

SA v TAS game interestingly poised. Tasmania should survive but Winter is bowling a great spell here. Draw most likely, but either team still could win

 

[stephen]

77 needed with 18 overs remaining. Thoughts on the logic now?

It's still a bad call. They are likely to be dismissed and lose. They should have batted SA out of the match and bowled to them on a deteriorating wicket.

 

[tony p]

tasmania have really stuffed this run chase up.

wade's reverse sweep dismissal by cooper was totally unneccessary and has most likely cost us a win.

 

[stephen]

tasmania have really stuffed this run chase up.

wade's reverse sweep dismissal by cooper was totally unneccessary and has most likely cost us a win.

The first innings declaration did that. Monumentally bad. It let SA dictate the game that they wanted to play.

 

[Prince EWS]

Four wickets for Coops in this game. WAG.

 

[Burgey]

Massive news in Futures League this afternoon with Parramatta young gun and opening batsman Tim Ward picked for NSW Metro.

Tim Ward. Can bat.

 

[NUFAN]

It's still a bad call. They are likely to be dismissed and lose. They should have batted SA out of the match and bowled to them on a deteriorating wicket.

Tassie were still 145 runs behind. They were going to bat both teams out of a chance to win in almost all scenarios if they batted on.

SA are so desperate to win, it was obvious they'd declare and set a chaseable target.

 

[stephen]

Tassie were still 145 runs behind. They were going to bat both teams out of a chance to win in almost all scenarios if they batted on.

SA are so desperate to win, it was obvious they'd declare and set a chaseable target.

It's easier to make runs on day 3 than day 4. They had a set batsman on 170 and five wickets in hand. As you say, SA were desperate to win. Declaring so far behind basically does nothing except give SA a shot at winning. I'd much rather finish with a meagre lead and put the pressure on SA not to choke in the last two sessions. As it was, Tassie were lucky to escape.

 

[NUFAN]

I just cant comprehend how you still think your way gave Tassie more of a chance of winning compared to what actually happened.

 

[stephen]

The first goal of cricket is to not lose, the second goal is to win.

Tassie's declaration violated the first rule. If SA wanted to win so badly they should have declared earlier than they did. Which is a bit harsh on them since they actually batted for less overs than Tassie in total. But if Tassie really wanted to win they should have pushed harder in the first innings. Doolan's strike rate was 40, which is insanely low for someone who scored 170*.

I am not a fan of giving your opponents a chance to win at all. Make them bat out a draw or do something special if they want to win. It's the ruthless attitude that underpinned the great West Indies teams and the Australian teams after Border took the reigns (until Waugh, who had such a good team he could usually push for a win).

 

[Burgey]

Was probably the most interesting game of the round tbh.

 

[NUFAN]

I feel like you think the same rule applies for Test Cricket as it does in the Shield. I dont agree at all.

The goal is to finish top 2 so while you dont want to hand an easy victory to your opponents, you actually have to win some games, not just not lose them.

Im not debating whether SACA should have declared or Tassie bat faster (but ill give my opinion anyway: No and yes a bit) , im just saying when the declaration took place it was a logical decision which increased there chance of winning while also increasing SACAs too.

In was a win-win given the circumstances, where all 4 results were possible going into the last 1 1/2 hours of the match.

If Ben McDermott doesnt cop a good ball that kept a little low, Tassie were in the box seat. Tassie also changed around the batting order a bit to give them a chance of winning first but then not losing. They moved up attacking bats in Bird and Pyecroft to have a crack and Neil-Smith was more in the Gillespie mould.

 

[stephen]

Fair enough. It's probably a failing if the rules which gives a disproportionately large number of points for the win vs a draw. Personally I think the shield should be about preparing players for tests rather than entertainment. Grinding out draws is better preparation for that than arbitrary run chases.

The result feels hollow if it's contrived. It's a metagame being played, not cricket.

 

[mr_mister]

Well said. And the entertainment factor is silly to worry about coz the crowds are never coming back -

 

[Burgey]

Fair enough. It's probably a failing if the rules which gives a disproportionately large number of points for the win vs a draw. Personally I think the shield should be about preparing players for tests rather than entertainment. Grinding out draws is better preparation for that than arbitrary run chases.

The result feels hollow if it's contrived. It's a metagame being played, not cricket.

That's true to an extent, but it's also a competition and while it remains that way, you cant' really blame sides for wanting to have a crack at winning games can you?