Gob
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Fancy to make 600 runs obvs
Also dunno what a one series failure should hold much water either
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Smith v Kohli (test match batting)
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Also dunno what a one series failure should hold much water either
aussie tragic
International Captain
WI didn't bowl bodyline as these fields were banned after the 1932/33 effort that Bradman averaged 56 in...so not sure where your 20 average comes from lol
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AT someone made a comment recently that Bradman would have averaged something ridiculously low against the WI in the 80s, with no real basis, trundler is making fun of that
SillyCowCorner1
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I like the idea of a Blind Steven Smith catching howse-flies with chop sticks.
aussie tragic
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Ah okay thanks. I just thought Trundler didn't know what the hell he was talking about lol
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TheJediBrah
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Well the two aren't mutually exclusive tbf
GIMH
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Always a fair assumption
_00_deathscar
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This isn't even a question is it (at the moment)?
Kohli is better to watch (when he gets going, but that's because Smith is ugly), but Smith is clearly the superior batsman. The only argument that could possibly be made is that of standardised averages, but even then I'm sure Smith would be comfortably ahead, just probably not 12+ runs/average ahead.
Peaks can be tricky though - see also Ponting mid 2000s...tough to say where Smith will end up. I do think Kohli will another huge peak coming up at some point, 2-3 years where he has another 2016-2018 type season and he'll probably end up around the 52-53ish mark when he retires.
Edit: Just looking back at Kohli's stats again, in a way, similar to Sachin, he actually hasn't really had a HUGE or monstrous peak (like Smith, Ponting etc had) - in his first year in tests he averaged 42, 46 the second year, 54 the third...I remember he took a while to average 50 cumulative for a while, but he was never doing poorly, you just felt there was more to come from him.
Or maybe this is one of those false records because I'm looking at year rather than between series? I do recall he was going huge - averaging 70+ at one point between those two years for about 30 tests, and then he dropped off big time (the Australia series in India?)
Kohli is better to watch (when he gets going, but that's because Smith is ugly), but Smith is clearly the superior batsman. The only argument that could possibly be made is that of standardised averages, but even then I'm sure Smith would be comfortably ahead, just probably not 12+ runs/average ahead.
Peaks can be tricky though - see also Ponting mid 2000s...tough to say where Smith will end up. I do think Kohli will another huge peak coming up at some point, 2-3 years where he has another 2016-2018 type season and he'll probably end up around the 52-53ish mark when he retires.
Edit: Just looking back at Kohli's stats again, in a way, similar to Sachin, he actually hasn't really had a HUGE or monstrous peak (like Smith, Ponting etc had) - in his first year in tests he averaged 42, 46 the second year, 54 the third...I remember he took a while to average 50 cumulative for a while, but he was never doing poorly, you just felt there was more to come from him.
Or maybe this is one of those false records because I'm looking at year rather than between series? I do recall he was going huge - averaging 70+ at one point between those two years for about 30 tests, and then he dropped off big time (the Australia series in India?)
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_00_deathscar
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I mean that (however crap it may be) and Kohli better better on the eye are the only real arguments in Kohli's favour. I don't think any Indian would claim Kohli is a better test bat than Steve Smith, not with those numbers.PEWs has a lot to answer for imo, people actually think his standardized averages are a real thing other than just some made up longevivity, australian pitches are crap, glorified spreadsheet that has Siddle as a semi-god scam.
I guess this means I stopped my 32 days booze free
aussie tragic
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Question solved, can we please close this thread now
Lillian Thomson
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The question was "Who is better right now and who will end up better after they’re both retired?"Question solved, can we please close this thread now
The second bit isn't yet solvable, so will be active for several years yet.
aussie tragic
International Captain
I thought I solved the second part in that Blind Smith would need 32 ducks in a row to get his average under 50...not going to happen to a slightly lost eye coordination Smith?
Lillian Thomson
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Doesn't solve anything. Kohli might undergo laser correction surgery and start averaging 90.
aussie tragic
International Captain
Lol, I think I'm rare in that I had perfect 20:20 vision up to age 45. Within 6 months, my eyes were stuffed and needed glasses, however they have never got worse since. Just 6 months of total collapse for Kholi and Smith to look forward too
Chrish
International Debutant
But is technique really separate from hand-eye though? Didn’t Tendy drastically decline in his last two years just like any other hand- eye player?
Batting IMO is mostly about hand-eye and your game will take a hit irrespective of how closely you follow the manual.
Batting IMO is mostly about hand-eye and your game will take a hit irrespective of how closely you follow the manual.
Chrish
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Kohli's technique is much more hand-eye reliant that Smith's, also part of the reason why Kohli's is better to watch (from a certain point of view) out of the 2 techniques IMO.