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Smith v Kohli (test match batting)

Victor Ian

International Coach
I'm perhaps being a bit anal here, but is the issue fading eyes or reflexes. I'm getting on in years and in my sport, I can still see where the ball is going to land after it has been hit. The problem is that I watch it land exactly where my eyes thought it would....but my body had only just started to move. So, are eyes and reflexes two different things, or the same thing?
 

Spark

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The main shot where I think "okay that might get harder when he gets older" is that back foot cover drive he plays. Hitting straight balls isn't about eye so much as it is about balance, which is what Ponting consistently struggled with when he got older.
 

TheJediBrah

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The main shot where I think "okay that might get harder when he gets older" is that back foot cover drive he plays. Hitting straight balls isn't about eye so much as it is about balance, which is what Ponting consistently struggled with when he got older.
That's been more relatively recent. Definitely didn't used to play that as much as he did this Ashes. I expect he'll be a bit more conventional and play more off the front foot come the home summer.
Agree about the hitting straight balls. I have no idea where this whole theory about it being an "eye" thing in regards to Smith specifically came from, but i suspect it was a Miyagi or someone who was a bit butthurt and trying to explain something away without giving Smith credit he deserves. Weird how much it has obviously caught on.
 

Lillian Thomson

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Smith being more reliant on hand/eye coordination than other batsman was mentioned a few times by the Sky commentators. So was tearing up the coaching manual.
 

TheJediBrah

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Smith being more reliant on hand/eye coordination than other batsman was mentioned a few times by the Sky commentators. So was tearing up the coaching manual.
Hardly a glowing endorsement. If you asked me to pick one guy in the world who DOESN'T rely on hand eye coordination as much, I'd be picking Steve Smith. You don't average over 10 runs more than anyone else because you have great hand eye coordination. You must have to think that Smith has a freakish eye that is 200% better than everyone else's to think otherwise. It just makes no sense. Where is people's common sense?
 

Lillian Thomson

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Common sense would say that being more reliant on it doesn’t equal being 200 times better. It just means he makes more use of a natural asset than others.
 

harsh.ag

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Hardly a glowing endorsement. If you asked me to pick one guy in the world who DOESN'T rely on hand eye coordination as much, I'd be picking Steve Smith. You don't average over 10 runs more than anyone else because you have great hand eye coordination. You must have to think that Smith has a freakish eye that is 200% better than everyone else's to think otherwise. It just makes no sense. Where is people's common sense?
Although I don't disagree with your point re Smith, Ponting did this from 2002-07 (though Kallis was close).
 

TheJediBrah

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Common sense would say that being more reliant on it doesn’t equal being 200 times better. It just means he makes more use of a natural asset than others.
Which is a statement that I find utterly ridiculous on it's own. It essentially requires that there are top-level, borderline ATG cricketers around (eg. Kohli, Williamson) that are simply not making the full use of their "natural assets", whereas Smith is. Absurd.
 

Lillian Thomson

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Which is a statement that I find utterly ridiculous on it's own. It essentially requires that there are top-level, borderline ATG cricketers around (eg. Kohli, Williamson) that are simply not making the full use of their "natural assets", whereas Smith is. Absurd.
So now it’s not possible for some Human Beings to make more use of their natural assets than others. I’d like to know what colour the sky is in your world.
 

TheJediBrah

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So now it’s not possible for some Human Beings to make more use of their natural assets than others. I’d like to know what colour the sky is in your world.
You're being deliberately obtuse. We're not talking about any random Human Beings, we're talking about the elite of the elites. You don't get to the level of Kane Williamson and Virat Kohli without making the most of your natural assets. If you genuinely think that a major reason Smith is better is because he's making more use of his hand-eye coordination than Williamson and Kohli, that's fine, that makes sense. It's dumb and wrong, but at least it is logical.
 

Lillian Thomson

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You're being deliberately obtuse. We're not talking about any random Human Beings, we're talking about the elite of the elites. You don't get to the level of Kane Williamson and Virat Kohli without making the most of your natural assets. If you genuinely think that a major reason Smith is better is because he's making more use of his hand-eye coordination than Williamson and Kohli, that's fine, that makes sense. It's dumb and wrong, but at least it is logical.
He has an unorthodox technique that is heavily reliant on hand/eye coordination. As usual you’re the only one who thinks differently and are completely wrong. But that’s life.
 

TheJediBrah

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He has an unorthodox technique that is heavily reliant on hand/eye coordination.
I don't know why I get so invested in things like this. I don't mind dumb and erroneous opinions, but for some reason when I see one that seems to be widely held for no logical reason like this it triggers me a little bit. Looks to me that in this case it's the result of trying to look for an explanation and finding one that would fit and just going with it despite the fact that it's clearly nonsense.
 

Lillian Thomson

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I don't know why I get so invested in things like this. I don't mind dumb and erroneous opinions, but for some reason when I see one that seems to be widely held for no logical reason like this it triggers me a little bit. Looks to me that in this case it's the result of trying to look for an explanation and finding one that would fit and just going with it despite the fact that it's clearly nonsense.
Unintentional comedy has always been a staple of Cricket Web and you’re keeping the tradition going, so no one is complaining.
 

Flem274*

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everyones eye goes eventually, but it's not always the eye that gets you. contemporary skippers clarke and mccullum were both felled by their backs, and it did affect their techniques according to both. taylors dodgy hamstring is eventually going to go completely.

some batsmen just cbf anymore and become a bit crap because they'd rather be at home with the kids.

smith seems pretty injury free so far which is a really good sign for his career length.
 

TheJediBrah

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I wouldn't mind seeing an actual legitimate argument as to why people think he has a particularly hand-eye coordination-reliant technique compared to others. All I see is "uh dem ones on the stumps he will miss" which is just dumb. As Spark said earlier, he's in the perfect position to play those with his technique and perfectly balanced. That would be the last thing that would be eye-reliant.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
everyones eye goes eventually, but it's not always the eye that gets you. contemporary skippers clarke and mccullum were both felled by their backs, and it did affect their techniques according to both. taylors dodgy hamstring is eventually going to go completely.

some batsmen just cbf anymore and become a bit crap because they'd rather be at home with the kids.

smith seems pretty injury free so far which is a really good sign for his career length.
He’s only 30 so could have two more tours of England in him if he stays fit and motivated, irrespective of his eyes.
 

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