2nd Test, Lord's, London

[social]

63.47 average

Wtf

 

[Starfighter]

Smith not doing the back across shuffle to Leach

Not sure I consider that a bad thing.

I heard that aside from Holland they flew over the guy who plays for the UAE who they've practiced against before to try get extra practice against the lefties.

 

[TheJediBrah]

63.47 average

Wtf

Needs to start doing some more Chanderpauling and not throwing his wicket away at the end to bump it up to 70 with some not outs

 

[TheJediBrah]

Stokes is a completely different bowler with the red ball isn't he

Has there been a better all-rounder this millennium?

 

[Test_Fan_Only]

Paine has played terribly compared to Wade but has been very fortunate to still be there.

 

[morgieb]

Stokes is a completely different bowler with the red ball isn't he

Has there been a better all-rounder this millennium?

Um he's not even the best all-rounder for his country this millennium.

Though he's probably 3rd behind Flintoff and Kallis.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Um he's not even the best all-rounder for his country this millennium.

Though he's probably 3rd behind Flintoff and Kallis.

Oh yeah Kallis lol

Freddy overrated. Stokes will end up much better

 

[stephen]

Stokes is a completely different bowler with the red ball isn't he

Has there been a better all-rounder this millennium?

Stokes with the red ball vs white ball is a lot like Cummins actually. Both have a similar MO and it's one that doesn't really work as well in ODIs.

 

[Starfighter]

I would strongly debate Flintoff being better, strong as the romanticist attachment to his performances is.

 

[Spark]

Um he's not even the best all-rounder for his country this millennium.

Though he's probably 3rd behind Flintoff and Kallis.

And as meme worthy as he was, Shane Watson actually was quite a good cricketer.

 

[Prince EWS]

And as meme worthy as he was, Shane Watson actually was quite a good cricketer.

Shakib is a thing too.

Stokes vs Shakib v Watson is an interesting discussion in the way that Stokes v Kallis just isn't though.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Australia's session despite the Wade wicket. Can't see anything other than a draw though

 

[fredfertang]

Never thought I'd say it but Steve Smith is even more terrifying than Steve Waugh was in '89

 

[morgieb]

And as meme worthy as he was, Shane Watson actually was quite a good cricketer.

Yeah it's easier to say in hindsight but Watson was really really useful for us. I think Stokes has him beat on "impact" though even if their stats are kinda similar (same with Freddie).

One other guy I forgot about though - Vettori.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Shakib is a thing too.

Stokes vs Shakib v Watson is an interesting discussion in the way that Stokes v Kallis just isn't though.

Finger spin isn't bowling

 

[morgieb]

Shakib is a thing too.

Stokes vs Shakib v Watson is an interesting discussion in the way that Stokes v Kallis just isn't though.

Oh crap I also forgot about Shakib. He's clearly second/third in this case IMO.

 

[Starfighter]

Never thought I'd say it but Steve Smith is even more terrifying than Steve Waugh was in '89

Would be nice if we had a Mark Taylor.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Watson barely took just over 1 wicket a game (injuries a big part of that), Stokes takes nearly 3 a game

 

[morgieb]

I'll take that as an Aussie fan. Pitch looks far less dangerous when it's sunny.

It's going to be hard for England to force a result in any case, particularly if Smith's still out there.

 

[Spark]

Watson barely took just over 1 wicket a game (injuries a big part of that), Stokes takes nearly 3 a game

They had different roles in their respective teams. Watson was principally a holding bowler who was situationally very useful (i.e. reverse swing) but mostly there to keep it tight and build pressure whilst giving the strike bowlers a rest. Stokes is one of those said strike bowlers.