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2nd Test, Lord's, London

Uppercut

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Nah we haven’t blown it at all with that decision. Seriously - 260 AO day two and 1/30 in reply of a four day test is fine. As much as it’s a semi-regular occurrence, you can’t assume you’re going to collapse all the time
You can't assume England are going to collapse all the time either, as much as that's also a regular occurrence.

Look up, not down is the standard rule of thumb for the toss in England. Maybe you'd deviate from that on a very grassy pitch, but this one was flat and dry. The two toughest innings will probably be the 2nd and 4th.
 

morgieb

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Nah we haven’t blown it at all with that decision. Seriously - 260 AO day two and 1/30 in reply of a four day test is fine. As much as it’s a semi-regular occurrence, you can’t assume you’re going to collapse all the time
You can if there's only one batsman :p

Plus I'm pretty sure the forecast said for the first half of today it was going to be rather cloudy, which basically meant that even if England had been bowled out cheapish they were going to get the chance to do the same in Australia's first innings. As long as you batted OK on Day 1 (2) if you batted first you probably weren't going to lose.
 

Burgey

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This is good, disciplined stuff, but there’s going to need to be a glitch in the TPC Matrix if he loses patience, goes after these and nicks one. Still, they’re being very patient which is excellent discipline
 

Cabinet96

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There's some theories, and possibly a combination of factors may be at play, but there's actually no confirmed mechanism to make the ball swing more when it's cloudy, cool, humid, under lights, whatever, at least in any of the papers I've read. It's one of cricket's semi-mysteries. And the idea that it will seam more when cloudy or under lights is obviously silly.
Agree about cloud cover not impacting seam movement. But the ball does seem to nip through a bit quicker whenever the lights are on. I'm not really sure why.
 

Spark

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Yeah, lots of them are doing the play by numbers craptaincy book and look ordinary.
I wouldn't call Paine's captaincy "play by numbers" tbh, If anything if he stuck to completely conventional ideas - bowl over the wicket before you try extended periods around to a guy with noted issues outside off stump, bat first when it's sunny, the pitch is dry and you have a world class spinner - it would be a huge improvement. His problem is that he seems to get weird ideas for dumb reasons and then sticks to them for too long.
 

Uppercut

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This is good, disciplined stuff, but there’s going to need to be a glitch in the TPC Matrix if he loses patience, goes after these and nicks one. Still, they’re being very patient which is excellent discipline
Maybe the plan is to leave him stranded. I'm only half-joking.
 

Burgey

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You can if there's only one batsman :p

Plus I'm pretty sure the forecast said for the first half of today it was going to be rather cloudy, which basically meant that even if England had been bowled out cheapish they were going to get the chance to do the same in Australia's first innings. As long as you batted OK on Day 1 (2) if you batted first you probably weren't going to lose.
You’re test cricketers mate. You back yourself to work through whatever the forecast.

Nah, the third innings batting side is the only one which will lose this game. Either Australia follows on and are under the pump or the only other way there’s a result is if england collapses third dig after Australia reaches parity or takes a lead.
 
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Nice. Biology is 100x easier than Chemistry for me to understand so my path is pretty set. Failed Pharmacology subjects at my uni coz we were doing the same unit as the pharm students(Sydney Uni bullshit) and I realised I'm too dumb to be a pharmacist ha
 

flibbertyjibber

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I wouldn't call Paine's captaincy "play by numbers" tbh, If anything if he stuck to completely conventional ideas - bowl over the wicket before you try extended periods around to a guy with noted issues outside off stump, bat first when it's sunny, the pitch is dry and you have a world class spinner - it would be a huge improvement. His problem is that he seems to get weird ideas for dumb reasons and then sticks to them for too long.
Yeah Paine is weird, Root makes Cook and Strauss seem brilliant tacticians though when they clearly weren't. As much as we think the bloke is a prune we are crying out for a Vaughan who comes up with ideas for each player with his coach and executes that plan perfectly. Seems to not be many good skippers anywhere.
 

Starfighter

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Agree about cloud cover not impacting seam movement. But the ball does seem to nip through a bit quicker whenever the lights are on. I'm not really sure why.
You see, I don't think it does myself. I think a lot of these things are perceptual and opinions vary from person to person. Test cricket in particular has a lot of that, and it's been very persistent over the years even when majority opinions are wrong.
 

Burgey

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Yeah Paine is weird, Root makes Cook and Strauss seem brilliant tacticians though when they clearly weren't. As much as we think the bloke is a prune we are crying out for a Vaughan who comes up with ideas for each player with his coach and executes that plan perfectly. Seems to not be many good skippers anywhere.
He had he attack to execute the plans
 

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