The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Prince EWS]

Miller won Australian test player of the year in early '01 for his 2000 work but literally played his final ever test in March of '01

He turned 37 in '01 but still might have felt hard done by. The biggest travesty since Grimmett?

Between Miller's last Test and his retirement, Australia only played in England, South Africa and at home. Not really lots of great opportunities for a second spinner at those venues, especially an offie. They did play two spinners in Sydney against South Africa but given the second one was MacGill it's hard to say he was too hard done by there.

He probably would've been a feature against Pakistan in the UAE if he hadn't retired just before it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Also the only reason Miller got a look in in 2000-01 was because Warne was out injured, and he was second spinner to MacGill, who he then leapfrogged for a bit.

He was a weird player. Didn't look like much but somehow took wickets at an impressive rate.

 

[mr_mister]

He took 29 wickets @ 20 from his 6 home tests, seemed to be his best hunting ground. Did he bowl much of his mediums at home or just all offies

 

[TheJediBrah]

He bowled mediums rarely. I remember one big wicket (lbw I think) he took first ball he switched to mediums in a Test, pretty sure it was in NZ.

 

[stephen]

The 95/96 attack was the best on paper. McDermott was leader of the attack until McGrath came and injuries ruled him out. Vastly underrated bowler mostly because his successor was McGrath.

 

[Coronis]

Miller won Australian test player of the year in early '01 for his 2000 work but literally played his final ever test in March of '01

He turned 37 in '01 but still might have felt hard done by. The biggest travesty since Grimmett?

Don’t get me started on Grimmett

 

[vcs]

Best of these 3 bowling attacks we fielded in our golden age? Presented in batting order but rate their bowling. Mark and Steve Waugh always the extra bowling options in all these scenarios.


95/96 home series vs SL

Reiffel
Warne
Mcdermott
McGrath

99/00 home series vs India

Warne
Lee
Fleming
McGrath

'01 away series vs India

Warne
Gillespie
Miller
McGrath






And yes it's basically finding out who was the best support for McWarne. Ignore the fact we lost in India, just wanted to showcase Gillespie and Miler

The names aren't as impressive on paper but Johnson-Harris-Siddle-Lyon-Watson was probably the best I've seen an Australian attack function over the course of a series. Mostly flat wickets and I don't remember England going past 300 except on one or two occasions where the match had been pretty much decided by then.

 

[Red]

Ryan Harris was so epic for a short time.

Shame him and MJ couldn't have put 5 or 6 solid years together. Complemented each other beautifully when it all went well.

 

[a massive zebra]

Miller played the 3rd test and thoroughly outbowled Warne.

Didn't every spinner outbowl Warne when they were up against India?

 

[AndrewB]

The names aren't as impressive on paper but Johnson-Harris-Siddle-Lyon-Watson was probably the best I've seen an Australian attack function over the course of a series. Mostly flat wickets and I don't remember England going past 300 except on one or two occasions where the match had been pretty much decided by then.

OTOH, all of them except Lyon played at least 3 times in the 2010-11 series and England managed scores of 517-1, 620-5, 513 and 644.

 

[stephen]

Lyon was vastly underrated by management at times. Wade's stint in the side as keeper really hurt his game as well.

 

[vcs]

OTOH, all of them except Lyon played at least 3 times in the 2010-11 series and England managed scores of 517-1, 620-5, 513 and 644.

Had a lot to do with Clarke's captaincy, field placements, and their form at the respective times. In that 2013-14 series, it just felt like England's batsmen never had a place to go, no weak link to target, nothing. They weren't in bad form and I didn't think they batted badly, it was just that the bowling, fielding, catching from the Aussies was relentless.

 

[Red]

Fielding focussed ODI XI.


Mark Waugh
Ricky Ponting
Viv Richards
MS Dhoni
Andrew Symonds
Jonty Rhodes
Paul Collingwood
Andrew Flintoff
Brad Hogg
Brett Lee
Joel Garner

 

[h_hurricane]

ATG visiting Asian XI to Australia

Sunil Gavaskar
Virender Sehwag
Kumar Sangakkara
Sachin Tendulkar
VVS Laxman
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Wasim Bari
Bishen Singh Bedi
Jasprit Bumrah

Excluded current players like Kohli, Pujara. Could not exclude Bumrah as replacement would not be good enough.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Fielding focussed ODI XI.


Mark Waugh
Ricky Ponting
Viv Richards
MS Dhoni
Andrew Symonds
Jonty Rhodes
Paul Collingwood
Andrew Flintoff
Brad Hogg
Brett Lee
Joel Garner

Flintoff? As a slipper?

 

[Prince EWS]

Flintoff? As a slipper?

Yeah it works IMO. Not many fast bowlers are great fielders, and most of the batsmen in the top order aren't slippers (at least not exclusively), so you could field Flintoff there in that side easily.

 

[Prince EWS]

Had a lot to do with Clarke's captaincy, field placements, and their form at the respective times. In that 2013-14 series, it just felt like England's batsmen never had a place to go, no weak link to target, nothing. They weren't in bad form and I didn't think they batted badly, it was just that the bowling, fielding, catching from the Aussies was relentless.

Just shows how gun Lyon is.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah it works IMO. Not many fast bowlers are great fielders, and most of the batsmen in the top order aren't slippers (at least not exclusively), so you could field Flintoff there in that side easily.

I get what you're saying. He's in the side more for his batting/bowling, but good enough as a fielder to make him fit the theme.

It would be interesting to see where you'd put all those guys. Probably Waugh and Flintoff in the slips, rather than Ponting because Ponting would be better in the ring.

Who would get the pleb mid-on/mid-off jobs? Hogg and someone?

 

[Red]

Probably-

Slips- Flintoff and Waugh
Gully- Garner
Point/cover/mid off- Ponting, Rhodes, Symonds
Mid on- Hogg
Mid wicket - Viv
Square leg- Collingwood
Boundary- Lee

 

[jimmy101]

Good looking XI, RH. Personally I'd sub in Chris Cairns for Lee & Roger Harper for Hogg.

Maybe even Raina, or Clive Lloyd, for Viv, if it is after all a fielding focused side.