Apparently theres a total of 120 points up for grabs in a series irrespective of the length of the series. So a team that wins 1-0 in a 2 test series gets 80 points or something while a team that wins 3-2 will get less. This looks like incentive to arrange shorter series against low ranked teams. Theres also no point difference for home and away series. Looks like a massive loophole
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Flawed Point System for World Test Championship
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Starfighter
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How would you do it then?
I'm more concerned about the fact that the new over rate offences will impact teams that play longer series more.
I'm more concerned about the fact that the new over rate offences will impact teams that play longer series more.
aussie tragic
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Yeah, losing 2 points for every over not bowled means we may have some negative points total per match lol
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There's no way to make it a fair system unless it's done with a full home/away cycle anyway. Regardless of how you rate series and points there will always be someone disadvantaged.
Doesn't make any sense to me doing it in a 2 year cycle anyway. Why can't you just wait 4 years so we have a full cycle? World Cup is every 4 years why do we need a Test championship every 2? It just invalidates the result because no will think it's fair and whoever wins won't be considered the real winner by anyone, much like 2019 ODI World Cup.
Doesn't make any sense to me doing it in a 2 year cycle anyway. Why can't you just wait 4 years so we have a full cycle? World Cup is every 4 years why do we need a Test championship every 2? It just invalidates the result because no will think it's fair and whoever wins won't be considered the real winner by anyone, much like 2019 ODI World Cup.
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wut. Is this actually a thing?
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With more points available per match for a shorter series, weaker, less popular nations now have more opportunities to jump up the rankings. All they need to do is win one game of a 2-game series to get 60 points, where in a 5 test series they'd need to win 2 and draw 1 for the same number of points. If anything, it incentives stronger teams to schedule longer series against weaker teams, which is a win in terms of the development for those weaker teams.
The good news about the slow overrate point penalty is that captains won't be getting suspended anymore. They've managed to find a powerful deterrent which doesn't hurt the fans either.
The good news about the slow overrate point penalty is that captains won't be getting suspended anymore. They've managed to find a powerful deterrent which doesn't hurt the fans either.
TheJediBrah
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It will hurt the fans pretty badly if their team loses significant points, or misses out on finals because of over rates
It also targets team relying on fast bowlers, and teams not playing in Asia as much, more.
Depending on your definition of popular, probably early 2000s West Indies. They were pretty bad at the time but still riding on the glory of the 80s.
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NUFAN
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A team who wins 1-0 has arguably done better than a team who wins 3-2. Drawing is better than losing.
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Emphasis on the word "arguably"
Starfighter
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That's a good point I hadn't thought of. I tend to think that teams playing a spinner should be able to make said spinner bowl their overs much faster, but that's not going to help in conditions where you want four fast bowlers.
I think that the batsmen are the big reason spinners bowl their overs slowly these days. Perhaps that should be looked in to.
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For teams that play in spin-friendly conditions, (ie. basically the Asian teams), who are playing 75% of their Tests in spinning conditions, the over rates are far less of an issue. India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh are almost always going to be able to bowl 50% or more of their overs with spin except for tours of Aus, SA and Eng, which they might not even have in each rotation of the Test championship.
cnerd123
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England still rolls with a 4 pronged pace attack, but fit spinners in there too.
All-out pace attacks are not that practical to begin with, overrates aside. Don't think this changes anything.
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cnerd123
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Yup. More games = more opportunities to be penalised.
Another problem is that they've penalised sides for slow overrates even when the game ends inside 3-4 days in the past. That absolutely must change. The unplayed time in a game should be used in the overrate calculations. I'm not sure how they would go about doing it, or why they don't already, but I foresee that being an issue. Imagine Australia dusting up a team within 3 days and then getting hit with a 2 point penalty for slow overrates. There might be good reasons for it, but it just doesn't sit well.
Fuller Pilch
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Shame. I was looking forward to Boult, Ferguson, Wagner, and Kugglejin destroying Australia in Perth.