The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Prince EWS]

mccullum smashing steyn and co. played a massive role in getting nz to his 3 ball duck final

Yeah he earned the right to get that three ball duck.

 

[NUFAN]

nz-eng combined odi side

roy
bairstow
kane
ross
root
buttler
woakes
rashid
lockie
archer
boult

12 man guptill

Haha, howd New Zealands finest Ben Stokes not make this team? Id pick him instead of Root.

 

[trundler]

So how have people's all time WC XIs changed now? Certainly some new contenders. Buttler had a better tournament than Gilchrist in 99. Shakib is self explanatory. Starc bombed it so badly in a semi, Dhoni too. Does that mean they're no longer in it?

 

[Prince EWS]

So how have people's all time WC XIs changed now? Certainly some new contenders. Buttler had a better tournament than Gilchrist in 99. Shakib is self explanatory. Starc bombed it so badly in a semi, Dhoni too. Does that mean they're no longer in it?

Dhoni was never in it IMO. Buttler v Carey is more interesting now than it was before. Starc definitely makes it.

EDIT: Read this post entirely wrong because I thought it was in a different thread. Ignore me.

 

[trundler]

Dhoni was never in it IMO. Buttler v Carey is more interesting now than it was before. Starc definitely makes it.

EDIT: Read this post entirely wrong because I thought it was in a different thread. Ignore me.

I deserve a proper response ****

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The Greatest XI ever to win a World Cup.

Jason Roy
Jonny Bairstow
Joe Root
Eoin Morgan(c)
Ben Stokes
Jos Buttler(wk)
Chris Woakes
Liam Plunkett
Adil Rashid
Jofra Archer
Mark Wood

 

[Red]

So how have people's all time WC XIs changed now? Certainly some new contenders. Buttler had a better tournament than Gilchrist in 99. Shakib is self explanatory. Starc bombed it so badly in a semi, Dhoni too. Does that mean they're no longer in it?

Just gone into statsguru with fresh eyes and no preconceived ideas. Paying no attention to finals performances, just looking at overall stats, mostly averages. Giving some credence to players who have played more games.


Sachin Tendulkar: 45 matches, 2278 runs at 57

Rohit Sharma: 17 matches, 1978 runs at 65

Kumar Sangakkara: 37 matches, 1532 runs at 56

Viv Richards: 23 matches, 1013 runs at 63

AB DeVilliers: 23 matches, 1207 runs at 63

Andrew Symonds: 18 matches, 515 runs at 103.

Lance Klusener: 14 matches, 372 runs at 124. 22 wickets at 22

Wasim Akram: 38 matches, 55 wickets (econ. 4.04)

Mitchell Starc: 18 matches, 49 wickets (econ. 4.64)

Muttiah Muralitharan: 40 matches, 68 wickets (econ. 3.88)

Glenn McGrath: 39 matches, 71 wickets at 18 (econ. 3.96)


Michael Clarke, Ben Stokes, Shakib, Dave Warner, Joe Root, Dilshan, Imran Khan, Shane Warne all in the mix.

 

[Red]

The Greatest XI ever to win a World Cup.

Jason Roy
Jonny Bairstow
Joe Root
Eoin Morgan(c)
Ben Stokes
Jos Buttler(wk)
Chris Woakes
Liam Plunkett
Adil Rashid
Jofra Archer
Mark Wood

2007

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Symonds
Watson
Clarke
Hussey
Hogg
Bracken
Tait
McGrath

2003

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Martyn
Lehmann
Bevan
Symonds
Hogg
Bichel
Lee
McGrath

Either of these Aust teams would absolutely pants England.

 

[stephen]

For one they actually won their final.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Andrew Symonds: 18 matches, 515 runs at 103.

Lance Klusener: 14 matches, 372 runs at 124. 22 wickets at 22

Geez that's pretty OP

Had no idea Symonds averaged over 100 in World Cups

 

[stephen]

Geez that's pretty OP

Had no idea Symonds averaged over 100 in World Cups

He only played in 2003 and the back half of 2007. Was truly a beast for the tournament though.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Probably striking at over 100 as well, Klusener too

 

[CricAddict]

Just gone into statsguru with fresh eyes and no preconceived ideas. Paying no attention to finals performances, just looking at overall stats, mostly averages. Giving some credence to players who have played more games.


Sachin Tendulkar: 45 matches, 2278 runs at 57

Rohit Sharma: 17 matches, 1978 runs at 65

Kumar Sangakkara: 37 matches, 1532 runs at 56

Viv Richards: 23 matches, 1013 runs at 63

AB DeVilliers: 23 matches, 1207 runs at 63

Andrew Symonds: 18 matches, 515 runs at 103.

Lance Klusener: 14 matches, 372 runs at 124. 22 wickets at 22

Wasim Akram: 38 matches, 55 wickets (econ. 4.04)

Mitchell Starc: 18 matches, 49 wickets (econ. 4.64)

Muttiah Muralitharan: 40 matches, 68 wickets (econ. 3.88)

Glenn McGrath: 39 matches, 71 wickets at 18 (econ. 3.96)


Michael Clarke, Ben Stokes, Shakib, Dave Warner, Joe Root, Dilshan, Imran Khan, Shane Warne all in the mix.

I will have either Stokes or Shakib in there instead of AB. Rest are perfect.

 

[stephen]

I will have either Stokes or Shakib in there instead of AB. Rest are perfect.

On the one hand you've got a guy that hasn't won a world cup final. On the other hand you have Shakib.

 

[CricAddict]

On the one hand you've got a guy that hasn't won a world cup final. On the other hand you have Shakib.

Yes Stephen. But AB hasn't won it either and on top of it, shied away from playing one when he was critically required by the team. So both these guys are better choices in that criteria than him.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I feel like you want a better keeper than Sanga or AB too but I guess you'd have to choose between Dhoni and Gilchrist and both have holes in their WC records.

Too bad you can't add like 1000% extra weighting to WC finals then Gilchrist would be a lock

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sachin Tendulkar: 45 matches, 2278 runs at 57

Rohit Sharma: 17 matches, 1978 runs at 65

this can't be right can it? Rohit only made 300 less runs than Sachin in 28 less matches, but his average is only 8 runs higher?

In fact according to these numbers Rohit's made more than 100 runs a match so can't possibly be averaging 65

He's played much more than 17 games I'm guessing

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's probably 978 runs. If he'd got 1978 in 17 innings we'd probably be crowning him the greatest ever.

 

[Red]

this can't be right can it? Rohit only made 300 less runs than Sachin in 28 less matches, but his average is only 8 runs higher?

In fact according to these numbers Rohit's made more than 100 runs a match so can't possibly be averaging 65

He's played much more than 17 games I'm guessing

Mistake by me, Sharma has 978, not 1978

 

[Red]

I feel like you want a better keeper than Sanga or AB too but I guess you'd have to choose between Dhoni and Gilchrist and both have holes in their WC records.

Too bad you can't add like 1000% extra weighting to WC finals then Gilchrist would be a lock

Sanga kept in over 300 of his ODIs. He's more than capable to keep here.

Basically once Kaluwitharana retired, Sanga was SL's ODI keeper until retirement.