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6th Match - England v Pakistan
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nightprowler10
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Wasn't Root dropped early on as well?
smash84
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yep, dropped on 9
cnerd123
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Ultimately it's the fundamental skills that shine in pressure games like this. Batting with good technique. Taking catches. Accuracy with the ball. Bowling with pace. Having variations. Having a stomach for the fight and desire to win.
Wahab may not look great in JAMODIs, but he's clearly got what it takes for big games, even if his stats don't reflect it.
Wahab may not look great in JAMODIs, but he's clearly got what it takes for big games, even if his stats don't reflect it.
Burgey
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If there was any justice he'd have had six fer last night. It's all well and good for England to say they bowled and fielded poorly, if Root goes for less than a dozen, they lose by 100 plus. On a deck which was meant to suit them down to the ground. Against a side who were hapless water buffaloes three days earlier.
England gone.
Gone. Gone. Gone.
Gone.
England gone.
Gone. Gone. Gone.
Gone.
trundler
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We all know Root is a class act. Fab 4 and all that. But Buttler is climbing his way to the top of the destructive #5/6 finisher. In my time of watching cricket only ABDV and Dhoni have been better. I mean, he makes it look easy but centuries coming after in near the 30 over mark is a bit absurd.
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The thing a bloke who plays like Buttler had going for him last night was the state of the game meant he had no real option other than to go hard, which is his natural game anyway. Not taking away from the innings, which was great to watch and top shelf, but the state of the game actually suited his style imo. I haven't really followed as much of England's ODIs as others have here, but if he wants to be feted in the Dhoni/ Bevan/ Huss class he'll need to dig a side out of a hole with knocks where he has to slow down and be measured, as well as playing like he did last night.
As I said, not bagging the bloke at all, and he's a phenomenal striker of the ball, but I haven't seen that sort of versatility from him yet (not that he's anywhere near the end of his career). It may be he's batted that way but I haven't seen it becasue I only gaf about WCs, tbf to him
As I said, not bagging the bloke at all, and he's a phenomenal striker of the ball, but I haven't seen that sort of versatility from him yet (not that he's anywhere near the end of his career). It may be he's batted that way but I haven't seen it becasue I only gaf about WCs, tbf to him
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That test century vs India was pretty good wasn't it?
But you're right. England intentionally push him down the order to 6 when early wickets fall. I do think he batted smartly yesterday. Wasn't a one trick pony at all but I'd like to see him in at 40/4. That'll inevitably happen with this English side though. He's been as destructive as any batsman I've seen but De Villiers also had more gears than anyone I've seen. Could do anything between striking at 30 and 300.
But you're right. England intentionally push him down the order to 6 when early wickets fall. I do think he batted smartly yesterday. Wasn't a one trick pony at all but I'd like to see him in at 40/4. That'll inevitably happen with this English side though. He's been as destructive as any batsman I've seen but De Villiers also had more gears than anyone I've seen. Could do anything between striking at 30 and 300.
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He's defs better than a David Miller type hack though.
Edit: managed to find this. In at 4-47 and England won by 1 wicket. http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard_ODI.asp?MatchCode=4170
Edit: managed to find this. In at 4-47 and England won by 1 wicket. http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard_ODI.asp?MatchCode=4170
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He's still a spray gun and will go for plenty, without taking any wickets when he has a bad day. Guess it was either him or the steady Eddie Junaid, who unfortunately had a poor series just before the World Cup.
Prince EWS
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Yeah fully agree. The selection is right but Woakes's actual role needs to be re-examined.
Did anyone else on here wonder if there was a bit of funny business going on during Pakistans fielding ? Very early on , I got the distinct feeling that something odd was being done with the balls . There sure seemed a lot of hand bandages coming into contact with them .My spidey senses were tingling so I watched pretty closely .
Natch they were knocking it on the bounce , there was bits of spit , sweat etc being applied but that is all normal enough ball whispering . This seemed extra . Clearly I wasn't the only one that was suspicious . Joe Root and Jos Buttler obviously weren't happy . Joe asked to see the ball . He was looking at his bat as well after making contact ,clearly spoke to the umpire about it. Jos checked the ball after his wicket , fairly unusual things for them to be doing.
I looked in vain for some sort of support in the media for my gut feeling .Finally BBC ran a piece that sort of supported my hunch but left me none the wiser .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48506522 Root refused to comment .
What could have been happening anyway ? The balls spent half the time in the umpires pockets so it must have been either a very temporary dressing or very subtle .
I waited before posting anything here ,wondering if the Umps were gonna sanction Pakistan overnight . Apparently not but plenty of unrelated fines in the match
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48510266
Like I say . I aint expressing sour grapes or trying to undermine the result. Just wondering what they could have been up to that got a bit of advantage in such a short amount of overs ? They changed at least one ball (from memory) early doors so it's not like they got the full 25 overs to unleash the reverse swing .
Natch they were knocking it on the bounce , there was bits of spit , sweat etc being applied but that is all normal enough ball whispering . This seemed extra . Clearly I wasn't the only one that was suspicious . Joe Root and Jos Buttler obviously weren't happy . Joe asked to see the ball . He was looking at his bat as well after making contact ,clearly spoke to the umpire about it. Jos checked the ball after his wicket , fairly unusual things for them to be doing.
I looked in vain for some sort of support in the media for my gut feeling .Finally BBC ran a piece that sort of supported my hunch but left me none the wiser .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48506522 Root refused to comment .
What could have been happening anyway ? The balls spent half the time in the umpires pockets so it must have been either a very temporary dressing or very subtle .
I waited before posting anything here ,wondering if the Umps were gonna sanction Pakistan overnight . Apparently not but plenty of unrelated fines in the match
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48510266Like I say . I aint expressing sour grapes or trying to undermine the result. Just wondering what they could have been up to that got a bit of advantage in such a short amount of overs ? They changed at least one ball (from memory) early doors so it's not like they got the full 25 overs to unleash the reverse swing .
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I got that feeling too. It was obvious they were trying to roughen it up by throwing it on the bounce etc. Didn't see anything suss with regards to bandages etc though.Did anyone else on here wonder if there was a bit of funny business going on during Pakistans fielding ? Very early on , I got the distinct feeling that something odd was being done with the balls . There sure seemed a lot of hand bandages coming into contact with them .My spidey senses were tingling so I watched pretty closely .
Natch they were knocking it on the bounce , there was bits of spit , sweat etc being applied but that is all normal enough ball whispering . This seemed extra . Clearly I wasn't the only one that was suspicious . Joe Root and Jos Buttler obviously weren't happy . Joe asked to see the ball . He was looking at his bat as well after making contact ,clearly spoke to the umpire about it. Jos checked the ball after his wicket , fairly unusual things for them to be doing.
I looked in vain for some sort of support in the media for my gut feeling .Finally BBC ran a piece that sort of supported my hunch but left me none the wiser .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48506522 Root refused to comment .
What could have been happening anyway ? The balls spent half the time in the umpires pockets so it must have been either a very temporary dressing or very subtle .
I waited before posting anything here ,wondering if the Umps were gonna sanction Pakistan overnight . Apparently not but plenty of unrelated fines in the match
Like I say . I aint expressing sour grapes or trying to undermine the result. Just wondering what they could have been up to that got a bit of advantage in such a short amount of overs ? They changed at least one ball (from memory) early doors so it's not like they got the full 25 overs to unleash the reverse swing .
smash84
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One ball was changed for having it's leather come off after it was hit for 6. Pak were warned for throwing balls on the bounce within the circle but that was about it. Pretty sure they must be trying to roughen the ball up but I don't think they managed to do it to any successful degree. Not very easy to do when the umpires keep the ball and tens of cameras pointed on the players .Did anyone else on here wonder if there was a bit of funny business going on during Pakistans fielding ? Very early on , I got the distinct feeling that something odd was being done with the balls . There sure seemed a lot of hand bandages coming into contact with them .My spidey senses were tingling so I watched pretty closely .
Natch they were knocking it on the bounce , there was bits of spit , sweat etc being applied but that is all normal enough ball whispering . This seemed extra . Clearly I wasn't the only one that was suspicious . Joe Root and Jos Buttler obviously weren't happy . Joe asked to see the ball . He was looking at his bat as well after making contact ,clearly spoke to the umpire about it. Jos checked the ball after his wicket , fairly unusual things for them to be doing.
I looked in vain for some sort of support in the media for my gut feeling .Finally BBC ran a piece that sort of supported my hunch but left me none the wiser .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48506522 Root refused to comment .
What could have been happening anyway ? The balls spent half the time in the umpires pockets so it must have been either a very temporary dressing or very subtle .
I waited before posting anything here ,wondering if the Umps were gonna sanction Pakistan overnight . Apparently not but plenty of unrelated fines in the match
Like I say . I aint expressing sour grapes or trying to undermine the result. Just wondering what they could have been up to that got a bit of advantage in such a short amount of overs ? They changed at least one ball (from memory) early doors so it's not like they got the full 25 overs to unleash the reverse swing .
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Cricinfo ran an article about it:
Umpires step in to curtail England, Pakistan ball-roughing tactics | ESPNcricinfo.com
Umpires step in to curtail England, Pakistan ball-roughing tactics | ESPNcricinfo.com