Who was an ATG FC cricketer

[bagapath]

Frank Woolley and Wilfred Rhodes deserve a mention for sure. Rhodes was probably the one in history who spent maximum amount of time in his life playing cricket. Sigh! What a life!!!

 

[morgieb]

Vijay Merchant and George Headley would also average north of 70 without their test record

But yeah I assume Woodfull and Ponsford faced tougher bowlers

Shield pitches flat as hell back then though. Like there were at least two scores in that era of 1000+.

 

[aussie tragic]

Can work both ways. If you remove David Gower’s Test record his batting average is under 40 in First Class Cricket.

So then Gower wasn't an ATG FC cricketer, simple as

*******

 

[morgieb]

Holy ****, that discrepancy for Duminy is insane

Yeah and it's not even like Indian cricket where there's 30 FC teams so the standard isn't great. SA domestics is quite good cricket. Always felt weird to me he never truly cracked Tests, especially given there were plenty of times he looked great out in the middle.

 

[Dendarii]

Another South African with a big discrepancy is Imran Tahir.

Tests: 57 wickets at 40.24
First-class: 727 wickets at 25.57

 

[aussie tragic]

Shield pitches flat as hell back then though. Like there were at least two scores in that era of 1000+.

Are you sure?

Only one score in Sheffield Shield History above 918, which was in 1926

 

[trundler]

Looks like Australia in the 30s was a great place for batting. Anyone got stats for McCabe?

 

[mr_mister]

Can work both ways. If you remove David Gower’s Test record his batting average is under 40 in First Class Cricket.

Same with Ken Barrington. His test record is way higher than his FC stats. It's odd

 

[aussie tragic]

Shane Watson has 5,780 runs @ 49.79 and 135 wkts @ 27.92

 

[morgieb]

Looks like Australia in the 30s was a great place for batting. Anyone got stats for McCabe?

9203 runs @ 49.75. Not too different to his Test record.

 

[Red]

Frank Woolley and Wilfred Rhodes deserve a mention for sure. Rhodes was probably the one in history who spent maximum amount of time in his life playing cricket. Sigh! What a life!!!

Be interesting to know who has spent the most time (in hours or days) of their life playing cricket.

 

[aussie tragic]

So best FC XI from posts posted so far

Woodfull
Ponsford
Bradman
Headley
Miller
Sobers
Benaud
?Wk*
Jadeja
? Pace 1
? Pace 2

 

[mr_mister]

Not sure Benaud quite makes the cut. You don't really need three all rounders. I'd play Hedley Verity as my spinner for sure, averaging under 15 with the ball in the interwar period is mighty impressive

 

[Test_Fan_Only]

Same with Ken Barrington. His test record is way higher than his FC stats. It's odd

Eddie Paynter as well

 

[aussie tragic]

Not sure Benaud quite makes the cut. You don't really need three all rounders. I'd play Hedley Verity as my spinner for sure, averaging under 15 with the ball in the interwar period is mighty impressive

Okay Hedley Verity gets my attention with 1812 wkts @ 14.14 outside of Tests.. wow

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Although it’s small sample sizes, David Steele and Clive Radley averaged 42 and 48 in Tests but low 30’s in First Class cricket. Steele’s 8 Tests were all against very strong fast bowling attacks.

 

[mr_mister]

Eddie Paynter as well

I feel like Paynter can somewhat be put down to only playing a handful of tests, ala Voges. His average might have come back down to earth, closer to his FC average if he had played 40-50 tests.

Barrington had a very long test career though. Its a little more baffling

 

[trundler]

Jack Badcock averaged 17.5 across 7 tests. In 90 FC matches he scored 7211 runs at 55.

 

[a massive zebra]

Frank Woolley and Wilfred Rhodes deserve a mention for sure. Rhodes was probably the one in history who spent maximum amount of time in his life playing cricket. Sigh! What a life!!!

I'm not sure that is true. Rhodes' first class career lasted 33 years and Grace's lasted 44 years. Yes, Rhodes played many more first class matches, primarily because the first class scene was fully developed when he came into the game, so top players were playing 25-30 first class matches per English season and going on regular overseas tours. When Grace began, first class cricket was still taking shape and top players rarely played more than 8-10 first class matches per season, preferring to ply their trade playing countless matches for teams like the All England XI who travelled the country playing against local teams of between 18 to 22 players. Indeed, Grace made nearly 100 centuries outside of first class cricket so he must have played a lot of non first class cricket.

 

[mr_mister]

Jack Badcock averaged 17.5 across 7 tests. In 90 FC matches he scored 7211 runs at 55.

And still managed a test ton. Now that's rocks and diamonds.