Top Five Cricketers from each country

[aussie tragic]

Any one know what the most runs scored in the same match when taking a seven for is? Seven wickets in an innings being sort of equivalent to a double century except significantly harder, especially these days (there have been only 210 against 371 double tons).

The biggest single innings is Botham with 114, but I wonder if there are any bigger match totals.

Botham has the biggest match runs with a 7 for. Interesting that Border cam close with a 7-46 and 75, 16* vs West Indies

 

[mr_mister]

Hadlee took 15 wickets and scored a 50 in a match. Mighty impressive

 

[Starfighter]

Should mention there is also Botham's 108 when he took 8/34 against Pakistan.

Shakib has the highest score for a ten-wicket match, 137 against Zimbabwe five years ago.

 

[aussie tragic]

Hadlee took 15 wickets and scored a 50 in a match. Mighty impressive

I was at that match. 'Hadlee's a wanker' chant definitely wasn't working

Scorecard - 1985-1986 Trans-Tasman Trophy - 08/11/1985

 

[OverratedSanity]

Shakib must have a bunch of 7fer + 50 tests.

 

[aussie tragic]

Just watched Allan Davidson on 'Legends of Cricket'. He said Keith Miller was so far above every other cricketer he played with, and so far above any other allrounder that played the game. I think I'll rate that above stats

 

[AndrewB]

I am redoing the calculations again with slight modifications in longevity. Wilfred Rhodes has had the longest career ever,30 years.Sachin Tendulkar played the most matches,200.
If I revise the formula for C as (no. of test matches played/200 * no. of years played/30), below is the ranking.

1.Garry Sobers -2.75
2.Imran Khan - 2.73
3.Jacques Kallis - 2.71
4.Keith Miller - 2.34
5.Aubrey Faulkner - 2.32
6.Shakib Al Hassan - 2.20
7.Ian Botham - 2.18
8.Richard Hadlee - 2.13
9.Shaun Pollock - 2.12
10.Ravindra Jadeja - 2.02
11.Chris Cairns - 1.97
12.Trevor Goddard - 1.95
13.Ravichandran Ashwin - 1.93
14.Kapil Dev - 1.92
15.Tony Grieg - 1.89

Sir Garry back at the top. So everyone can rest easy here.
Pollock goes below Botham and Hadlee here. PFK would be happy . Bolo and MM not so
Whatever weightage one applies, Sobers, Imran, Kallis and Miller come up at the top. Not in the same planet as Botham and others.

One method I've seen for comparing the longevity of players from different eras is to scale up/down the number of Tests they played on the assumption that their team played 10 Tests per year through their career. (So if someone had a 10-year career and played 50 Tests: if their country only played those 50 Tests, that would count as 100; if the country had played 100 Tests, it would count as 50; if they'd played 125 Tests, it would count as only 40. etc...)

By this method the longest Test careers are:

222: Sachin Tendulkar (200/217 Tests in 24 years)
219: Dave Nourse (45/45 in nearly 22 years)
203: John Traicos (an odd inclusion, since he had a 22 year gap in which neither of his teams played any Tests)
198: Bruce Mitchell (42/42 in nearly 20 years)
187: Garry Sobers (93/100 in 20 years)
185: Herbie Taylor (42/45 in nearly 20 years)
172: Don Bradman (52/60 in nearly 20 years)
171: Syd Gregory (58/75 in 22 years)
170: Shivnarine Chanderpaul (164/205 in 21 years)
170: Warwick Armstrong (50/58 in nearly 20 years)

Rhodes is then quite a way down the list on 149 (58 Tests out of 120 in nearly 31 years).

It gives interesting results for the most prolific batsmen:
23125 Donald Bradman
17669 Sachin Tendulkar
16390 Bruce Mitchell
16130 Garry Sobers
14156 Wally Hammond
13742 Dudley Nourse
13628 Kumar Sangakkara
13475 Jack Hobbs
13367 Leonard Hutton
13060 Jacques Kallis

and bowlers:
929 Muttiah Muralitharan
760 Bill O'Reilly
754 Richard Hadlee
710 Anil Kumble
612 Jack Cowie
603 Shane Warne
603 Courtney Walsh
583 Clarrie Grimmett
573 Lance Gibbs
542 Imran Khan

 

[Lillian Thomson]

What happens with all formulas is that the creator messes around with it until the players end up in the order they think they should be in.

 

[h_hurricane]

In other words they faced pretty decent if not outstanding attacks. Hardly like bashing up Bangladesh overseas or anything. And lo and behold, other things (such as pitches) can affect averages in a single series as well.


And that doesn't apply at other times?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here except that you're trying to twist things into saying Botham feasted on weak batting with nothing to prove it.

I was giving an explanation why Indian batting fared better during those 3 years compared to Aus or WI which is something you brought up. I never said Botham was up against Bangladesh level lineup. Indian batting could just about surpass WI or Aus during that period even with the disadvantages those 2 teams had to cope up.

How would a line up of Gavaskar,Binny,Vishwanath,Vengsarkar, Shastri,Yashpal,Sandeep and Kapil be better than Greenidge,Haynes,Richards,Lloyd,Rowe,Kallicharan ?

By the way, Botham averaged 71 against India not 62, so I under estimated his India bashing.

 

[h_hurricane]

so far above any other allrounder that played the game.

This was indeed true till GSA Sobers started playing cricket. So Davidson was right on that front, of course depending on when he made that comment.

 

[AndrewB]

Most runs in a Test while taking n wickets:

19: 3 by Jim Laker
17: 0 by Sydney Barnes
16: 30 by Muttiah Muralitharan
15: 54 by Richard Hadlee
14: 55 by Billy Bates
13: 114 by Ian Botham
12: 71 by Hugh Trumble
11: 124 by Alan Davidson
10: 143 by Shakib Al Hasan
9: 131 by Daniel Vettori (Ashwin 117, Sinclair 110, Mitchell Johnson 103, Benaud 100)
8: 213 by Bill Edrich (Giffen 202, Faulkner 201)
7: 239 by Denis Atkinson (Mushtaq 201)
6: 247 by Garry Sobers
5: 256 by Vinoo Mankad (Umrigar 228, Dexter 205)
4: 305 by Tillakaratne Dilshan
3: 340 by Sanath Jayasuriya
2: 319 by Virender Sehwag
1: 456 by Graham Gooch
0: 426 by Mark Taylor (Sangakkara 424, Lara 400)

Most runs in a Test while taking n wickets in one innings:
10: 15 by Anil Kumble
9: 54 by Richard Hadlee
8: 111 by Ian Botham (Trott 110, Botham 108)
7: 114 by Ian Botham (Ashwin 113, Gregory 100)
6: 199 by Ian Botham (Greig 173, Shakib 150)
5: 256 by Vinoo Mankad (Atkinson 239, Umrigar 228, Mushtaq 201, Faulkner 201)

(From 4 downwards, the answers are almost the same as above, except Sehwag's 2 wickets were 1 in each innings so the most runs with a 2-fer is 291 by Miandad).

 

[aussie tragic]

By the way, Botham averaged 71 against India not 62, so I under estimated his India bashing.

Why do you think its minnow bashing just because someone plays well against them? Its already been shown that India had one of the strongest batting records in the Botham era but still you call them rubbish?

 

[mr_mister]

Good comprehensive stuff as usual Andrew

 

[Burgey]

I was at that match. 'Hadlee's a wanker' chant definitely wasn't working

Scorecard - 1985-1986 Trans-Tasman Trophy - 08/11/1985

I know the kid who Hadlee threw over the fence at the SCG which gave rise to that chant

 

[Burgey]

I believe Davo’s 11 fer was in the Tied Test.

 

[mr_mister]

Hadlee manhandled some kid? Lol

 

[AndrewB]

Just watched Allan Davidson on 'Legends of Cricket'. He said Keith Miller was so far above every other cricketer he played with, and so far above any other allrounder that played the game. I think I'll rate that above stats

I'm not saying he's wrong, but players tend to have a very high opinion of team-mates who are somewhat older than themselves, and who they probably watched in awe as a teenager.

A more obviously dubious case is Frank Woolley picking Jack Mason (a very good county all-rounder who failed in his only Test series) in his all-time XI.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah. Early 80s SCG. Kid jumped over the fence to get a ball and sort of got in the way/ carried on a bit. Hadlee sort of grabbed him and half tossed him over the fence. His name was Mark Samuels, lived in Greystanes. Was a year ahead of me in primary school iirc. There were articles in the paper about the kid afterwards which named him

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Sabbir Rahman, eat your heart out

 

[h_hurricane]

Why do you think its minnow bashing just because someone plays well against them? Its already been shown that India had one of the strongest batting records in the Botham era but still you call them rubbish?

It is not shown right? India had Gavaskar(ATG),Vishwanath(very good) and Vengsarkar(good). The others were bordering on decent to mediocre. I called that team mediocre,not rubbish.

By the way, my comment about mediocrity was about Indian batting+bowling. Botham averaging 71 against that team of Kapil+nobodies tells more about the opposition that he came up with than himself.