Duanne Olivier Goes Kolpak with Yorkshire

[Niall]

How much more Test cricket would he have played for SA? With Mulder likely coming into the team, SA are unlikely to go with a 4 man pace attack again even in SA. And with Ngidi and Nortje hot on his heals any little injury could instantly end his international career. His best hope for a longer Test career was that both Steyn and Philander retire before the Eng series this summer. He was likely going to play 6 to 10 tests over the next 2 years and spend the rest of the time on the bench. And he also does not play the shorter formats much either.

What you talking about is more Rossouw, who was becoming a permanent fixture in the LO sides and would probably have been in the Test team instead of de Bruyn,

I'd be more annoyed with Rossouw than Oliver or Abbot or many other guys who left. The selectors were very fair with him and he was always in contention regarding the IPL which would have kept the bank balance in a nice condition.

 

[SeamUp]

What I don't get is those trying to make it sound like it is no real loss.

No fast bowler has put in the domestic results like him in the last 5 years.
He has come into international cricket and performed. You can't just throw that away.

The fact that CSA were willing to offer a 2 year central contract which they only do for the key core players says just how badly CSA valued him and wanted to keep him.

Nortje and Ngidi have injury issues. Much like KG - he bowls fast and all day and rarely gets injured. A massive thing for him to have.

 

[Woodster]

How much more Test cricket would he have played for SA? With Mulder likely coming into the team, SA are unlikely to go with a 4 man pace attack again even in SA. And with Ngidi and Nortje hot on his heals any little injury could instantly end his international career. His best hope for a longer Test career was that both Steyn and Philander retire before the Eng series this summer. He was likely going to play 6 to 10 tests over the next 2 years and spend the rest of the time on the bench. And he also does not play the shorter formats much either.

What you talking about is more Rossouw, who was becoming a permanent fixture in the LO sides and would probably have been in the Test team instead of de Bruyn,

Yes I understand that and perhaps he is only too aware of his limitations, but how much Test cricket he plays was all in his hands to a degree with him currently holding a spot and performing well. With rotation of bowlers these days becoming the norm there's a fair chance he would still have featured a decent amount without considering inevitable injuries that crop up. Still, around 10 Tests in the next two years you would think is enough to keep a player interested in international cricket.

Perhaps he's thinking he may be better placed after these three years to be an automatic choice in the Test squad once Philander and Steyn have retired, but a lot can happen in that time especially if the young quicks take their chances.

 

[Cow Corner]

£100,000 is honestly not an awesome salary to give up playing international cricket for. It's what a consultant doctor makes in the government hospitals in the NHS. Plus, after 5 years he won't be hot property any more and his pay might go down. It's all a bit silly in my opinion. Steyn and Philander are unlikely to last more than 2 more years in international cricket so he was definitely one of the next in line.

Also, someone mentioned earlier that only white SA players are leaving to England. This might be controversial, but I honestly think a large part of it is that there seems to be more loyalty towards the nation amongst the black cricketers in South Africa than the white cricketers. Partly also to do with the quota system, but honestly wouldn't really apply to Duanne so much. The other bowlers in the ranks are Ngidi and Rabada, and there's also Bavuma in the batting set up. For the "coloured" quota there's also Maharaj, Amla, etc.

Plus now he won't be able to play in the IPL. Pretty much every other major South African international plays in the IPL and their seasons don't collide unlike the English county season. He could get £400k+ in the IPL in 2 months! Even from a monetary standpoint this doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Heboric]

£100,000 is honestly not an awesome salary to give up playing international cricket for. It's what a consultant doctor makes in the government hospitals in the NHS. Plus, after 5 years he won't be hot property any more and his pay might go down. It's all a bit silly in my opinion. Steyn and Philander are unlikely to last more than 2 more years in international cricket so he was definitely one of the next in line.

Also, someone mentioned earlier that only white SA players are leaving to England. This might be controversial, but I honestly think a large part of it is that there seems to be more loyalty towards the nation amongst the black cricketers in South Africa than the white cricketers. Partly also to do with the quota system, but honestly wouldn't really apply to Duanne so much. The other bowlers in the ranks are Ngidi and Rabada, and there's also Bavuma in the batting set up. For the "coloured" quota there's also Maharaj, Amla, etc.

Plus now he won't be able to play in the IPL. Pretty much every other major South African international plays in the IPL and their seasons don't collide unlike the English county season. He could get £400k+ in the IPL in 2 months! Even from a monetary standpoint this doesn't make sense to me.

Arent the England players playing in the IPL now, sure I saw the likes of Stokes etc grinding it out in the IPL for Super Omega Giants (or whatever the teams name is)

 

[Stefan9]

Arent the England players playing in the IPL now, sure I saw the likes of Stokes etc grinding it out in the IPL for Super Omega Giants (or whatever the teams name is)

He is a centrally contracted player. ECB gave some of them leave to play, same as some of the counties with others.

Presume Olivier would have a clause releasing him for the ipl.

 

[StephenZA]

Duanne does not have an IPL contract does he?

 

[Pup Clarke]

Must have been hard for him around teammates these last few weeks. He's obviously thought about it for a while. Did he conceal it from them, or were there open and honest discussions alongside Gibson and the support staff? At a human level, that would have been tough

 

[Cow Corner]

I don't think there's any English County only player in the IPL (who's not centrally contracted). He can miss county games...but Yorkshire aren't paying him to miss half the season to go play in the IPL.

 

[Rasimione]

Personally I'm sad to see him go but if it secures him financially for the rest of his life then so be it.

 

[Slifer]

Good for him. Rsa has plenty of reserves. Wont be missed.

 

[91Jmay]

Yes. They should be able to play county cricket or IPL or whatever they want, but it should not prevent them from being able to represent their own country.

Why would any county side give a deal to a player who still leaves to go play for country?

 

[Immenso]

Why would any county side give a deal to a player who still leaves to go play for country?

Because they're good. They already do this,
every year since forever.

 

[91Jmay]

Because they're good. They already do this,
every year since forever.

Not 4 year deals, and they then replace them. They'd literally be paying a bloke whilst they aren't there.

Nonsense claim that they are even comparable.

 

[Stefan9]

Football clubs use loads of foreign players with very very few playing as local players. But guess fifa's international calendar makes it easier.

 

[Immenso]

Not 4 year deals, and they then replace them. They'd literally be paying a bloke whilst they aren't there.

Nonsense claim that they are even comparable.

If the ECB lifted the amount of oversea players back up to 2. Oliver could play the next 3 seasons of country championships without missing any time for Yorkshire, and still play tests for South Africa (if selected). H'd maybe miss the whiteball stuff occasionally in the mid summer, but not the championship as its played 'on the margins'.

County fans may bemoan the timing of the championship these days, but it does allow good foreign red ball specialists to be available.

Counties being aggressive in the market for any player, (overseas or not) is fine IMO. But this combined with the ECB having only a 1 foreign player rule - is a cancer on the sport. When the way around this supposedly self-preservation rule is for player to Kolpak or British passport themselves. When the option is there to have both the cake and to eat it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Because they're good. They already do this,
every year since forever.

Not worth as much if have to use an overseas slot, we've been over this

 

[the big bambino]

Yeah its the age old conundrum isn't it? Hey lets offer him a contract - must be good. He plays tests.

Hey wtf! he's been picked for a test? But I'm paying him. Grrr.

No sympathy.

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah its the age old conundrum isn't it? Hey lets offer him a contract - must be good. He plays tests.

Hey wtf! he's been picked for a test? But I'm paying him. Grrr.

No sympathy.

That literally doesn't happen though. Are people seriously not aware that the overseas player in CC is given a signing bonus, retention fee and then lionshares of their income comes in appearance fees? If you don't play (injury notwithstanding) because you are away you don't get paid. It is how a second overseas player is brought in to cover as the costs for player A have already been accounted for.

 

[the big bambino]

Not a comment on the actual situation but supporting the point a player should still be able to play tests.