Which Indian team do you think will win in a 5 test series ?

[sunilz]

Answer me a simple question ; How many test series have WI won in Asia since 1983 against IND, PAK or SL ?

FTR I do consider WI of 1980-94 an ATG side along with AUS 1999-2007.

 

[Slifer]

Answer me a simple question ; How many test series have WI won in Asia since 1983 against IND, PAK or SL ?

FTR I do consider WI of 1980-94 an ATG side along with AUS 1999-2007.

Zero. Answer me this question, what does that have to do with your initial post or wi greatness from 80-95? Up until 1997, WI hadn't lost in Asia either. And using SL is rich, considering wi only started playing them (away) when wi was already in terminal decline.

 

[Daemon]

sunilz letting in 3 goals for every one he scores

 

[sunilz]

Zero. Answer me this question, what does that have to do with your initial post or wi greatness from 80-95? Up until 1997, WI hadn't lost in Asia either. And using SL is rich, considering wi only started playing them (away) when wi was already in terminal decline.

You made a point that India beat a weakened AUS side . My response is that even an ATG side like WI beat a very weakened IND side . IND side of 80s were so bad that they couldn't even beat SL of 80s in SL . So when you accuse IND of beating a very weak side then please also accept that WI of 80s also beat a very weak IND side.

 

[harsh.ag]

You made a point that India beat a weakened AUS side . My response is that even an ATG side like WI beat a very weakened IND side . IND side of 80s were so bad that they couldn't even beat SL of 80s in SL . So when you accuse IND of beating a very weak side then please also accept that WI of 80s also beat a very weak IND side.

That is not an acceptable response. We've already had this conversation. If Slifer makes a point, you don't respond by going on a tangent about Windies just cause he supports that team. Change your style asap.

 

[sunilz]

That is not an acceptable response. We've already had this conversation. If Slifer makes a point, you don't respond by going on a tangent about Windies just cause he supports that team. Change your style asap.

My point is it is very difficult for an Asian side to beat a very good non- Asian side in their home conditions and vice-versa . Can you please tell me atleast 3 test series won by a non-Asian side in Asia or Asian side outside Asia when home side was ranked in top 2 .

 

[harsh.ag]

My point is it is very difficult for an Asian side to beat a very good non- Asian side in their home conditions and vice-versa . Can you please tell me atleast 3 test series won by a non-Asian side in Asia or Asian side outside Asia when home side was ranked in top 2 .

Then just say this, without adding the tangents. It's a perfectly reasonable point. Yet, Slifer's original point is not rendered incorrect by it.

 

[Borges]

I am sorry . When i created this thread nowhere did i say these Indian sides were great or something . Just wanted a simple discussion.

I agree that you did not suggest that these Indian sides were great sides.
The sensible thing to do is to just ignore the Miyagis who respond (perhaps aggressively) as though you did.

 

[Slifer]

Sigh. I'll take your bait. Why not I have nothing better to do. The wi team that toured Pakistan and drew in 86 was missing garner and holding through injury. The team that toured and drew there in 1990 came up against an atg frightening attack and without their only atg batsman (viv) who btw was already on the wane. Still theres nothing to be ashamed of in drawing against Pakistan, those were some seriously good teams (especially the bowling).

Wi went to India in 88 with only Walsh as the only recognizable bowler and carried a 1-0 lead into the final test until India prepared an atrocious pitch in the last test to draw the series. In 94 wi went to India again with only Walsh as the only recognizable bowler and they were also without richie and Haynes. Still wi shouldve lost but by sheer force of will (luck and indias unruly crowd) they drew that series. My point?? Wi never really played those drawn series in Asia at full strength either. Even in 83 in India garner was missing and Roberts (literally on his last legs) hardly played.

Literally everyone thought India had a chance against Australia going into this series simply because sir Steve and david were missing. Please stop getting butt hurt over that. India won fair and square and that's all history cares about. Dude relax!!

 

[Kirkut]

I guess most have forgotten how good Ishant was in 2007-08. Majority of the videos on youtube have been taken down by copyright sharks, but here is a sample below:

 

[OverratedSanity]

He showed promise for a few months and flamed out and forgot how to bowl for 5 years.

 

[Cruxdude]

I think Ashwin and Jadeja are crazy hard to get away in Indian tracks and the old batting line up will struggle against them. Kumble would be great but Harbhajan for most of the 2000s was fire the ball at the leg and that is not going to work. If Harbhajan was at his 2001 level then I think the Indian team from 2000-10 has a chance.

 

[Cruxdude]

Overseas I think on non-flat tracks I will favour the 2000-10 team but on flat tracks the superior bowling attack will force enough wins to take the series.

 

[Red]

Don't worry we won't declare this side 2nd greatest or something like you tried to declare Steve sandpaper smith 2nd greatest after Bradman for averaging 75 in AUS.

He probably is/was the 2nd greatest.

Most certainly better than Tendulkar.

 

[Red]

Ishant of 2010-2015 was ordinary but Ishant of 2007-08 was ATG stuff, it was like watching Mcgrath bowling at 145 kph. The reason why he managed to play 90 tests was because of that 07-08 series.

Ishant was also man of the series when AUS toured IND in 2008. First Indian pacer after Kapil in 1983 to win player of the series award. So it was not just one spell.

I guess most have forgotten how good Ishant was in 2007-08. ]

This is the problem when India beat Australa's third XI. Inane chatter about their players, everywhere you look on every single cricket site or social media site.

This India side is really not that great. If Smith and Warner were playing, I doubt they'd have won the series. So it's got to be an incredibly hollow victory.

And as for Ishant being as good as McGrath in 07-08, FMD. Spare me! 2.9 wickets per test, average of 31, SR of 60? If this is his peak, it's nowhere near McGrath's complete career.

Ishant will be the worst bowler to have taken 300 wickets to ever play the game, I would have thought.

 

[Kirkut]

He probably is/was the 2nd greatest.

Most certainly better than Tendulkar.

I can't see no reason why Steven Smith is 2nd greatest of all time.

If he was playing in the late 80s he would trespass into Pakistani dressing room and steal all bottle caps or whatever he finds. And when the match starts, Wasim/Imran/Waqar will have all question marks on their faces on seeing the empty stash with Steven Smith smirking at them from the crease and Mcdermott/Hughes figuring out the effective way to scratch the ball in Aus dressing room.

 

[marc71178]

This is the problem when India beat Australa's third XI.

This third XI bullshit is almost as bad as sunilz original trolling.

It's missing 2 batsmen FFS - not 22 players.

 

[Burgey]

My point is it is very difficult for an Asian side to beat a very good non- Asian side in their home conditions and vice-versa . Can you please tell me atleast 3 test series won by a non-Asian side in Asia or Asian side outside Asia when home side was ranked in top 2 .

It's always difficult to beat a very good side at home isn't it, whether they're Asian, non-Asian of Calathumpian? Whether the side India just beat constitutes a very good one is pretty debatable. Certainly decent bowlers, but the batting was unproven at best and rank awful at worst.

 

[Burgey]

I can't see no reason why Steven Smith is 2nd greatest of all time.

If he was playing in the late 80s he would trespass into Pakistani dressing room and steal all bottle caps or whatever he finds. And when the match starts, Wasim/Imran/Waqar will have all question marks on their faces on seeing the empty stash with Steven Smith smirking at them from the crease and Mcdermott/Hughes figuring out the effective way to scratch the ball in Aus dressing room.

****, I can't believe anyone would put energy into posting this.

BTW your Ishant point is really, really bad.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Did someone imply that the Aus Test team from this summer is a "very good side"

wow

even with Smith & Warner not sure I'd say they're "very good". Acceptable to decent maybe. Probably could be "very good" to "excellent" with proper selections, but without Smith & Warner they're atrocious.