Pakistan Tour of South Africa 2018/19

[StephenZA]

You would have given it not out if the umpire had made no indication and out under current rules?

Just ignore umpire in this case IMO. If they are sending something up it's because they know their on field perspective doesn't mean much

I think the current rules make sense. 3rd umpire needs to be more consistent. Should have been given out. The premise that they send it up because there perspective is poor is faulty thinking, they send it up because they are human and want to be sure they have not made a glaring error that will make them look foolish on replay 2 min later, same as runout that are clearly in or out but just in case.

Biased me would have given it not out... but I am irrelevant.

 

[SeamUp]

Sometimes it is not about sureness... it is about not making mistakes, sending upstairs in case of a glaring error you missed even if you feel as an on-field umpire it was out.

I know what you mean. But don't we rely on technology now to make definitive decisions. Whilst not 100% full-proof the 3rd umpire is in a better position to make a better call. For Elgar's one there was the tape that seemed to help and the fingers were more on the side of the ball. With the soft signal out here this 3rd umpire decided to make his judgement instead of playing it safe. I wonder how many 3rd umpires would play it safe because it is the easy thing to do ?

 

[SeamUp]

Only two batsman have passed 9000 test runs and not got to 10000. Graeme Smith (9265) & Hashim Amla (9064*). I wonder if Hash will get there. Really thought him and AB would have got there.

 

[StephenZA]

I know what you mean. But don't we rely on technology now to make definitive decisions. Whilst not 100% full-proof the 3rd umpire is in a better position to make a better call. For Elgar's one there was the tape that seemed to help and the fingers were more on the side of the ball. With the soft signal out here this 3rd umpire decided to make his judgement instead of playing it safe. I wonder how many 3rd umpires would play it safe because it is the easy thing to do ?

Not on close catches near the ground... that is better done by the on-field umpire. Ball tracking, Snicko are much clearer with regards to technology. 3D to 2D imaging is a big difference; it is why ball tracking requires cameras tracking from different perspectives, based purely on one/two camera directions it would not be doable.. Now if we want to track the ball everywhere on the field so we can see if it is caught... technology is available just takes more cameras and much more money.

 

[Tec15]

Pakistan really unlucky with that decision, imo. So many clean catches these days are given not out because of the how they look in these slo-mo replays. But glad to see Amla get some runs. Hopefully he sees SA through.

 

[SeamUp]

Not on close catches near the ground... that is better done by the on-field umpire. Ball tracking, Snicko are much clearer with regards to technology. 3D to 2D imaging is a big difference; it is why ball tracking requires cameras tracking from different perspectives, based purely on one/two camera directions it would not be doable.. Now if we want to track the ball everywhere on the field so we can see if it is caught... technology is available just takes more cameras and much more money.

I agree with the 2D v 3D debate but is it really better for on field umpires to see catches when it happens so quickly ?

 

[StephenZA]

I agree with the 2D v 3D debate but is it really better for on field umpires to see catches when it happens so quickly ?

Human eye is generally better at seeing that sort of thing at that distance, along with instinct from umpires with years of experience.

I mean, on this decision (which just about everybody thinks was out). The on-field umpire was right. 3rd umpire has made a mistake (and has not actually followed the rules as written). Now we want to take away the on-field umpires initial decisions altogether? I think need to get the 3rd umpires better trained.

 

[SeamUp]

Human eye is generally better at seeing that sort of thing at that distance, along with instinct from umpires with years of experience.

I mean, on this decision (which just about everybody thinks was out). The on-field umpire was right. 3rd umpire has made a mistake (and has not actually followed the rules as written). Now we want to take away the on-field umpires initial decisions altogether? I think need to get the 3rd umpires better trained.

On field umpires are just traffic cones these days to direct traffic

 

[Bolo]

Human eye is generally better at seeing that sort of thing at that distance, along with instinct from umpires with years of experience.

I mean, on this decision (which just about everybody thinks was out). The on-field umpire was right. 3rd umpire has made a mistake (and has not actually followed the rules as written). Now we want to take away the on-field umpires initial decisions altogether? I think need to get the 3rd umpires better trained.

3rd umpire almost definitely wrong there. Should have given it out.

But I don't think it should have been out. More likely grassed than not. And if this is unclear, I'd prefer to go back to benefit to the bat. Or even benefit to the bowler. Standardize it either way.

 

[SeamUp]

That is hilarious.

They are doing the 2D v 3D testing catches with Pollock and Smith. With guys in comms box.

And Pollocks pants split and everyone heard it while bending down. Smith muttering elite honesty lol

 

[artvandalay]

I think that was not out. If you're not sure then just give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman and force the fielders to take clean catches. the soft signal thing is pointless when the umpire himself isn't sure whether or not it was clean and has to make a decision based on what he 'thinks' probably happened. If he doesn't know just send it up because if he does then he doesn't need to send it up does he? The soft signal is almost always out because there is no doubt whether or not the batsman nicked it, just whether the catch is clean.

 

[SeamUp]

Which idiots were doubting a champion ?

He needed that and it's been great to see.

 

[SeamUp]

Thank goodness this didn't get to a day 4/5 run chase.

 

[StephenZA]

Which idiots were doubting a champion ?

He needed that and it's been great to see.

The man is here to stay...... at least for awhile!

 

[vcs]

So SA are probably winning this at a canter, but Pakistan were a lot closer to getting a result than the scorecard will eventually indicate IMO. Were all over SA and looked very threatening about the time when that decision was overturned.

 

[vcs]

And why the hell did Masood get a bowl when they were trying to defend 150, LOL

 

[Bijed]

Surely Yasir has to come on now?

 

[StephenZA]

Amusing and very magnanimous from Ntini there....

 

[StephenZA]

So SA are probably winning this at a canter, but Pakistan were a lot closer to getting a result than the scorecard will eventually indicate IMO. Were all over SA and looked very threatening about the time when that decision was overturned.

Dropping Amla didn’t help either.

 

[SeamUp]

Dropping Amla didn’t help either.

Yeah very much a new ball pitch in the beginning and if you don't take your chances then it will come back to bite you.