Cribbage's Standardised Test Averages (UPDATED November 2018 - posts 753-755)

[Prince EWS]

Odd, Sutcliffe's overall standardised is 62.79 yet his peak average is 59.41? Hill and McCabe big (and welcome) surprises there.

This could be due to a bug I haven't found yet, but it's possible for it to be true without that.

For example, take this four number long list:
10, 10, 1, 10

The average of all these numbers is 7.5, but the the biggest "peak of three" you can get averages out to only 7. It could just be a quirk in his career such that he never had a period of five years running that averaged out to be more than his actual career standardised average.

Yeah, if I change the parameters to at least five years, it gives me this:

1. DG Bradman (Aus) - 110.09 (13 Jun 1930 - 10 Jun 1938) - 6.15 years
2. JB Hobbs (Eng) - 72.08 (11 Mar 1910 - 31 Dec 1920) - 5.20 years
3. WR Hammond (Eng) - 67.77 (23 Jun 1928 - 31 Mar 1933) - 5.04 years
4. IVA Richards (WI) - 65.07 (23 Jan 1976 - 30 Jan 1982) - 5.25 years
5. C Hill (Aus) - 64.73 (13 Dec 1897 - 11 Dec 1903) - 5.52 years
6. SJ McCabe (Aus) - 64.08 (10 Feb 1933 - 24 Jun 1938) - 5.17 years
7. H Sutcliffe (Eng) - 63.88 (19 Dec 1924 - 2 Dec 1932) - 6.62 years
8. AD Nourse (SA) - 62.51 (20 Jan 1939 - 7 Jun 1951) - 5.20 years
9. L Hutton (Eng) - 62.26 (22 Jul 1948 - 30 Mar 1954) - 5.28 years
10. KF Barrington (Eng) - 61.78 (17 Aug 1961 - 19 Jan 1968) - 5.58 years
11. GA Headley (WI) - 61.72 (11 Jan 1930 - 21 Jan 1948) - 5.14 years
12. RN Harvey (Aus) - 60.96 (31 Dec 1949 - 17 Dec 1954) - 5.17 years
13. SR Tendulkar (Ind) - 60.49 (11 Feb 1993 - 25 Mar 1998) - 5.14 years
14. PBH May (Eng) - 60.29 (12 Aug 1954 - 18 Jun 1959) - 5.03 years
15. ED Weekes (WI) - 60.20 (27 Mar 1948 - 17 Mar 1954) - 6.17 years
16. HM Amla (SA) - 60.04 (3 Jan 2010 - 2 Jan 2015) - 5.01 years
17. AB de Villiers (SA) - 60.01 (3 Jan 2009 - 20 Feb 2014) - 5.15 years
18. KC Sangakkara (SL) - 59.86 (26 Mar 2006 - 3 Nov 2011) - 5.34 years
19. Hanif Mohammad (Pak) - 59.61 (11 Oct 1956 - 31 May 1962) - 5.10 years
20. GS Sobers (WI) - 59.60 (16 Feb 1962 - 13 Jan 1967) - 5.00 years
21. CL Walcott (WI) - 59.41 (24 Jun 1950 - 30 May 1957) - 5.45 years
22. B Sutcliffe (NZ) - 59.24 (21 Mar 1947 - 24 Dec 1953) - 5.00 years
23. BC Lara (WI) - 59.06 (13 Mar 1999 - 25 Nov 2005) - 5.40 years
24. JH Kallis (SA) - 58.90 (15 Mar 2002 - 2 Jan 2008) - 5.04 years
25. SM Gavaskar (Ind) - 58.83 (23 Jan 1975 - 29 Jan 1980) - 5.17 years
26. WM Woodfull (Aus) - 57.58 (26 Jun 1926 - 29 Jan 1932) - 5.05 years
27. HW Taylor (SA) - 57.52 (13 Dec 1913 - 16 Feb 1923) - 5.00 years
28. V Kohli (Ind) - 57.30 (14 Nov 2013 - 12 Oct 2018) - 5.09 years
29. RB Kanhai (WI) - 56.69 (31 Dec 1958 - 22 Aug 1963) - 5.13 years
30. RG Pollock (SA) - 56.48 (6 Dec 1963 - 19 Feb 1970) - 5.53 years

What I don't get is how Herb Taylor didn't get the same score on the first list given it's telling me it took an exact five year period for him this time, so there's definitely *some* sort of bug in there somewhere, but I can't pinpoint where.

 

[Prince EWS]

Ah there's a bug with the not outs in the peak ratings thing I think.

 

[Prince EWS]

Ah there's a bug with the not outs in the peak ratings thing I think.

Yeah, confirmed, and fixed.

Five years:
1. DG Bradman (Aus) - 116.39 (8 Mar 1929 - 18 Aug 1934) - 5.00 years
2. JB Hobbs (Eng) - 80.09 (11 Mar 1910 - 31 Dec 1920) - 5.20 years
3. WR Hammond (Eng) - 76.24 (23 Jun 1928 - 31 Mar 1933) - 5.04 years
4. S Chanderpaul (WI) - 73.80 (7 Jun 2007 - 21 Nov 2012) - 5.10 years
5. L Hutton (Eng) - 73.16 (27 Dec 1948 - 30 Mar 1954) - 5.01 years
6. SJ McCabe (Aus) - 70.95 (10 Feb 1933 - 24 Jun 1938) - 5.17 years
7. JH Kallis (SA) - 70.25 (15 Mar 2002 - 2 Jan 2008) - 5.04 years
8. KF Barrington (Eng) - 68.80 (17 Aug 1961 - 27 Jul 1967) - 5.14 years
9. AD Nourse (SA) - 68.59 (18 Feb 1939 - 21 Jun 1951) - 5.07 years
10. C Hill (Aus) - 68.54 (13 Dec 1897 - 11 Dec 1903) - 5.52 years
11. GS Sobers (WI) - 68.40 (13 Apr 1962 - 6 Dec 1968) - 5.06 years
12. AB de Villiers (SA) - 68.24 (3 Jan 2009 - 12 Feb 2014) - 5.03 years
13. IVA Richards (WI) - 67.62 (23 Jan 1976 - 30 Jan 1982) - 5.25 years
14. SR Tendulkar (Ind) - 67.60 (11 Feb 1993 - 25 Mar 1998) - 5.14 years
15. HM Amla (SA) - 67.35 (3 Jan 2010 - 2 Jan 2015) - 5.01 years
16. GA Headley (WI) - 67.34 (11 Jan 1930 - 21 Jan 1948) - 5.14 years
17. PBH May (Eng) - 66.87 (17 Dec 1954 - 6 Jan 1960) - 5.07 years
18. H Sutcliffe (Eng) - 66.84 (10 Jul 1926 - 2 Dec 1932) - 5.05 years
19. RN Harvey (Aus) - 65.92 (6 Feb 1948 - 9 Jul 1953) - 5.13 years
20. RT Ponting (Aus) - 65.78 (2 Aug 2001 - 1 Dec 2006) - 5.00 years
21. CL Walcott (WI) - 65.63 (8 Feb 1952 - 13 Mar 1958) - 5.04 years
22. WL Murdoch (Aus/Eng) - 65.58 (6 Sep 1880 - 12 Dec 1884) - 5.00 years
23. KC Sangakkara (SL) - 65.56 (25 May 2006 - 3 Nov 2011) - 5.07 years
24. AR Border (Aus) - 65.38 (26 Dec 1982 - 29 Jan 1988) - 5.12 years
25. Hanif Mohammad (Pak) - 65.37 (11 Oct 1956 - 31 May 1962) - 5.10 years
26. DCS Compton (Eng) - 64.79 (10 Jun 1938 - 12 Aug 1950) - 5.00 years
27. R Dravid (Ind) - 64.28 (10 Nov 2000 - 20 Sep 2005) - 5.13 years
28. SR Waugh (Aus) - 63.08 (3 Jun 1993 - 2 Jan 1999) - 5.07 years
29. ED Weekes (WI) - 62.55 (8 Feb 1952 - 4 Jul 1957) - 5.07 years
30. VS Hazare (Ind) - 62.36 (28 Nov 1947 - 21 Jan 1953) - 5.02 years

At least five years:
1. DG Bradman (Aus) - 116.39 (8 Mar 1929 - 18 Aug 1934) - 5.00 years
2. JB Hobbs (Eng) - 80.09 (11 Mar 1910 - 31 Dec 1920) - 5.20 years
3. WR Hammond (Eng) - 76.24 (23 Jun 1928 - 31 Mar 1933) - 5.04 years
4. S Chanderpaul (WI) - 73.80 (7 Jun 2007 - 21 Nov 2012) - 5.10 years
5. L Hutton (Eng) - 73.16 (27 Dec 1948 - 30 Mar 1954) - 5.01 years
6. JH Kallis (SA) - 72.30 (7 Sep 2001 - 16 Nov 2007) - 5.65 years
7. AD Nourse (SA) - 71.95 (24 Dec 1935 - 7 Jun 1951) - 7.34 years
8. H Sutcliffe (Eng) - 71.43 (19 Dec 1924 - 2 Dec 1932) - 6.62 years
9. KF Barrington (Eng) - 71.41 (17 Aug 1961 - 19 Jan 1968) - 5.58 years
10. SJ McCabe (Aus) - 70.95 (10 Feb 1933 - 24 Jun 1938) - 5.17 years
11. GS Sobers (WI) - 70.65 (4 Apr 1962 - 28 Mar 1968) - 5.11 years
12. AB de Villiers (SA) - 69.23 (17 Dec 2008 - 20 Feb 2014) - 5.28 years
13. C Hill (Aus) - 68.54 (13 Dec 1897 - 11 Dec 1903) - 5.52 years
14. SR Tendulkar (Ind) - 67.87 (2 Jan 1993 - 25 Mar 1998) - 5.39 years
15. HM Amla (SA) - 67.79 (3 Jan 2010 - 2 Jan 2015) - 5.01 years
16. IVA Richards (WI) - 67.62 (23 Jan 1976 - 30 Jan 1982) - 5.25 years
17. GA Headley (WI) - 67.51 (11 Jan 1930 - 21 Jan 1948) - 5.14 years
18. AR Border (Aus) - 66.90 (26 Dec 1982 - 7 Oct 1988) - 5.62 years
19. PBH May (Eng) - 66.87 (17 Dec 1954 - 6 Jan 1960) - 5.07 years
20. CL Walcott (WI) - 66.02 (24 Jun 1950 - 30 May 1957) - 5.45 years
21. RN Harvey (Aus) - 65.92 (6 Feb 1948 - 9 Jul 1953) - 5.13 years
22. RT Ponting (Aus) - 65.78 (2 Aug 2001 - 1 Dec 2006) - 5.00 years
23. WL Murdoch (Aus/Eng) - 65.58 (6 Sep 1880 - 12 Dec 1884) - 5.00 years
24. KC Sangakkara (SL) - 65.56 (25 May 2006 - 3 Nov 2011) - 5.07 years
25. Hanif Mohammad (Pak) - 65.37 (11 Oct 1956 - 31 May 1962) - 5.10 years
26. R Dravid (Ind) - 65.18 (10 Nov 2000 - 21 Jan 2006) - 5.54 years
27. DCS Compton (Eng) - 64.79 (10 Jun 1938 - 12 Aug 1950) - 5.00 years
28. SR Waugh (Aus) - 63.37 (3 Jun 1993 - 3 Apr 1999) - 5.35 years
29. ED Weekes (WI) - 63.37 (27 Mar 1948 - 17 Mar 1954) - 6.17 years
30. RG Pollock (SA) - 62.93 (6 Dec 1963 - 19 Feb 1970) - 5.53 years

 

[weldone]

I expected Ponting to fare better than that though.

Surely not after what your pitch analysis did for McGrath and Warne.

 

[trundler]

Hey PEWS, could you do a pace friendliness comparison between England and India in the 70s. Any date you deem fit. This stems from the relative ranking of Gavaskar and Boycott whom I consider next to one another in terms of quality. Boycott had arguably tougher conditions so I expected him to get a bigger upward adjustment.

 

[smash84]

pleasantly surprised to see Hanif Mohammad break out ahead of all others from Pakistan.

 

[Spark]

I missed this at the time, but a 7 point difference between Lyon's standardised and actual average is legit extraordinary, and goes to show how ****ing hard it is to hack it as an offspinner in Australia especially in the last ten years or so.

 

[Prince EWS]

pleasantly surprised to see Hanif Mohammad break out ahead of all others from Pakistan.

I wasn't even sure what you meant by this at first given he's clearly behind several Pakistan players, but I think you meant the five year peaks list I posted in #863, yeah? I hadn't even noticed he fared so well in that; good spot.

 

[Prince EWS]

I missed this at the time, but a 7 point difference between Lyon's standardised and actual average is legit extraordinary, and goes to show how ****ing hard it is to hack it as an offspinner in Australia especially in the last ten years or so.

I love how he has a similar average to Dilruwan Perera in the same era, but his standardises to 25 while Perera's standardises to 42.

 

[Daemon]

I missed this at the time, but a 7 point difference between Lyon's standardised and actual average is legit extraordinary, and goes to show how ****ing hard it is to hack it as an offspinner in Australia especially in the last ten years or so.

It's not just offspinners though. Lee, Johnson, Haze, Siddle, Starc all have similar 5+ differences. I'm guessing it's a result of touring bowlers never being able to pick wickets on the same tracks that the Australians make merry on.

 

[Spark]

It's not just offspinners though. Lee, Johnson, Haze, Siddle, Starc all have similar 5+ differences. I'm guessing it's a result of touring bowlers never being able to pick wickets on the same tracks that the Australians make merry on.

Well, also that Australian pitches in the last ten years have been stupefyingly flat.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It's not just offspinners though. Lee, Johnson, Haze, Siddle, Starc all have similar 5+ differences. I'm guessing it's a result of touring bowlers never being able to pick wickets on the same tracks that the Australians make merry on.

That's a strange angle to take. As Spark said it's more likely a result of the pitches just being unfavourable to bowlers, Australian or otherwise. It seems like you're implying that it's more a result of an undeserved adjustment.

 

[Daemon]

Not at all. It's because the pitches are flat that touring bowlers can't take any wickets. The Aussies have done it because they're just that good.

 

[Maximas]

I missed this at the time, but a 7 point difference between Lyon's standardised and actual average is legit extraordinary, and goes to show how ****ing hard it is to hack it as an offspinner in Australia especially in the last ten years or so.

Unrelated - but at what point in time did it no longer become customary to question his place in the team every summer? Thinking the last Indian tour was the last I heard of it, but possibly the 2013/14 ashes was the end of that talk

 

[TheJediBrah]

Unrelated - but at what point in time did it no longer become customary to question his place in the team every summer? Thinking the last Indian tour was the last I heard of it, but possibly the 2013/14 ashes was the end of that talk

I questioned it every few hours up until earlier this year. Still think SOK would have done just as well.

 

[Spark]

Unrelated - but at what point in time did it no longer become customary to question his place in the team every summer? Thinking the last Indian tour was the last I heard of it, but possibly the 2013/14 ashes was the end of that talk

He was very close to being dropped after the SL tour which, in hindsight, he frankly should have won for Australia crap batting notwithstanding, far too many times SL were in serious trouble and Lyon couldn't deliver the critical breakthrough to knock SL over for a low score as he can now. But after that he's bowled consistently at a world class standard.

It has helped that he's had proper keepers behind the stumps the last few years. Even Wade has been vastly improved over the match-losing model of 2014 or so.

 

[Spark]

Not at all. It's because the pitches are flat that touring bowlers can't take any wickets. The Aussies have done it because they're just that good.

It's sometimes a bit of a mistake to characterise pitches purely as flat/not flat though. Look at a lot of Indian pitches in the last few decades - clearly spin-friendly, and good spinners can wreak havoc on unsuited batting lineups on them, but a lot of overseas spinners struggle because they don't quite know how to bowl on them (and they're bowling to better and more suited batsmen ofc).

Australian pitches, though, have simply been extremely flat in the last few years especially, starting from the 2013/14 Ashes and getting worse since.

 

[Maximas]

He was very close to being dropped after the SL tour which, in hindsight, he frankly should have won for Australia crap batting notwithstanding, far too many times SL were in serious trouble and Lyon couldn't deliver the critical breakthrough to knock SL over for a low score as he can now. But after that he's bowled consistently at a world class standard.

It has helped that he's had proper keepers behind the stumps the last few years. Even Wade has been vastly improved over the match-losing model of 2014 or so.

Going by what England were able to achieve recently in SL (although they had the benefit of batting first each test) this assessment has been put nicely into perspective

 

[stephen]

That Sri Lanka tour was the lowest cricketing point for Australia outside sandpapergate. Losing 3-0 to the hosts is utterly atrocious, despite the alien conditions.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah the pitches were unashamedly doctored, but the Aus batting was still atrocious. And the bowling wasn't much better apart from Starc. They brought Jon Holland in with no match practice and Henriques was in the team as a batsman . . . Can't remember why SOK wasn't playing.