DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1

[trundler]

Worth noting that Croft, Roberts, Garner and Holding all took 4 wickets a match playing in an ATG attack. Marshall, of course, took over 4.5. That's one hell of an achievement for all of them. So that's how they each robbed the others of some PPI.

 

[Days of Grace]

But average and strike-rate are worth double that of PPI.

If you are playing with three other ATGs you won't have to bowl too often when you are not at your best.

 

[trundler]

Yeah, but #9 and #10 were separated by a third of a point.

 

[Starfighter]

The real question here: can Barnes come any higher? Everyone else has over 120% more wickets than him and all the fast bowlers have excellent records against just about everybody.

 

[stephen]

Geez I'm enjoying some of this footage and commentary. Bloody great work DoG.

 

[TheJediBrah]

But average and strike-rate are worth double that of PPI.

If you are playing with three other ATGs you won't have to bowl too often when you are not at your best.

Any beneficial effect on average and strike rate from playing in a strong attack is going to be much lower than the negative impact it has on wpm. IMO the theory that playing in a stronger attack will give you better stats (bowl at more fresh batsmen, less free runs at the other end, don't get as tired etc.) is way over-indulged. I'm not saying it isn't there, I just don't think it's particularly significant practically speaking.

 

[trundler]

Practically, it is significant. Playing in a stronger attack definitely helps mentally too, alongside those things you mentioned. I don't think it can necessarily be quantified. Maybe statistically it is overwhelmed if greater emphasis is placed on WPM.

 

[Starfighter]

Didn't we have this argument recently?

 

[Bolo]

But average and strike-rate are worth double that of PPI.

Won't we see significant variation between bowlers on how heavily PPI and sr/average are weighted? Miller's SR and average are somewhat comparable to Murali, but his PPI must be ridiculously lower. SR and average can only be worth double the PPI for one of these two.

 

[Migara]

Marshall beats McGrath on quality but is behind on career points.

I actually want a curve for career length and wickets where the gap between 200 and 100 wickets is larger than, say, 200 and 400. But I don’t know how to do that on Excel.

Can help you on that.

 

[jaideep]

Any beneficial effect on average and strike rate from playing in a strong attack is going to be much lower than the negative impact it has on wpm. IMO the theory that playing in a stronger attack will give you better stats (bowl at more fresh batsmen, less free runs at the other end, don't get as tired etc.) is way over-indulged. I'm not saying it isn't there, I just don't think it's particularly significant practically speaking.

I agree with this.If my calculation is correct PPI accounts for 300 of the total 900 quality points which is too much.20%(180 points max) of total quality points for PPI may be more reasonable.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.6

Glenn McGrath (Australia) 930

Quality Points: 783
Career Points: 147

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEI3ZU3p_XM

Career: 1993-2007
Wickets: 560
Gold Performances: 5
8/38 vs. England at Lord's 1997 (16.77)
6/17 vs. West Indies at Brisbane 2000 (15.95)
8/24 vs. Pakistan at Perth 2004 (21.85)
5/53 vs. England at Lord's 2005 (15.68)
6/50 vs. England at Brisbane 2006 (16.68)
Silver Performances: 19
Bronze Performances: 14

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.98 (21.69) 53.90 (52.04) 5.03 (rank 12)
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1999-2002): 17.76 51.01 5.65 (rank 18)
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.07 50.60 5.30 (rank 9)
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.05 50.99 5.33 (rank 7)

All bowlers in the top 10 have something special about them. For Glenn McGrath, it is his faultless record. Across all criteria he averages under 21. Only Mohammad Abbas has the same achievement, but he has only played 10 tests. Throw in 560 wickets for McGrath and you can see why cricket writers and forum posters like Burgey wax lyrical about him. McGrath just got you out. He wasn't quick, he didn't swing the ball a mile, and he wasn't showy, but he got good batsmen out time and again over 14 years. In my opinion, he was the main reason Australia stayed at no.1 for so long. He certainly made Warne's life easier by consistently taking wickets at the top of the order. And Australia could have scored a million runs every game but without McGrath's wickets they wouldn't have won as many tests.

 

[Starfighter]

Steyn above McGrath just doesn't sit right with me. Can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but it just doesn't go.

 

[trundler]

Steyn above McGrath just doesn't sit right with me. Can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but it just doesn't go.

Disproportionate adjustment of SR because of Steyn's home conditions and crap techniques recently.

 

[Days of Grace]

I agree with this.If my calculation is correct PPI accounts for 300 of the total 900 quality points which is too much.20%(180 points max) of total quality points for PPI may be more reasonable.

Put it this way.

Player A: 25.00 50.00 5.00
Player B: 22.50 45.00 4.00

get about the same amount of points. That looks about right to me.

 

[trundler]

That means McGrath is next.

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[sunilz]

Glenn Mcgrath is the best cricketer of last 3 decades imo. Excellent test, ODI and World Cup record .

 

[Starfighter]

Disproportionate adjustment of SR because of Steyn's home conditions and crap techniques recently.

That and Steyn going at 32 against England compared to McGrath's worst of 27 for any team. McGrath being better away and having tougher home conditions too.

 

[trundler]

McGrath is perhaps the most effective fast bowler of all time. The way I see it: post injury Lillee but better. One of those gear players who took conditions out of the equation almost completely. His ability to surgically removed the opposition's best batsmen can never be overstated. Probably took my favourite hat trick of all time too. The words cunning and smart are often thrown around when praising great bowlers but they fit him perfectly.

 

[ankitj]

Wow. This is a big surprise. Both McGrath and Ambrose, 2 favourites of CWers, ranked lower than expected. Steyn breaking in top 5 is huge. Barnes -- well it's hard to tell where he might finish given the era he played in.