smash84
The Tiger King
Wow, rubel is so much lower than Sami
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DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1
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Migara
International Coach
He was that annoying bitch in SAF side who broke partnerships when they have weathered Donald and Pollock.
The top 250 those up some surprising results. Ironmonger, average 17ish just cracks top 200. Not many tests, but this is also true for O'Reilly, from the same era, and near the top.
Faulkner, ranked number 1 at some stage, doesn't hit top 200.
Flintoff and Ishant together at 150.
Andre Nel resoundindly beating Tony Greig.
Dilhara Fernando cracks the top 250. Or top anything for that matter
Faulkner, ranked number 1 at some stage, doesn't hit top 200.
Flintoff and Ishant together at 150.
Andre Nel resoundindly beating Tony Greig.
Dilhara Fernando cracks the top 250. Or top anything for that matter
Days of Grace
International Captain
Ironmonger didn’t play any tests overseas.
Migara
International Coach
Dilhara did have some good performances. 5/42 vs India, another five or four for against Pakistan in a winning cause are the ones I can remember. May be that had an effect.
He's actually getting doubly penalized for this, because Grimmett and O'Reilly were better away. Fair enough though, can't account for oddities like him in the rankings
Weak opposition as well.
Still comes as a surprise, even if it makes sense if you break it down.
Top 250 doesn't require that much I guess. Not many people with a similar record will have played as many tests
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Not related to the bowling list but I just noticed this. I don't necessarily think the formula should be consistent for batsmen and bowlers. Not sure I agree with the strike rate being being anywhere near equally a big factor for batsmen as it is for bowlers.
Burgey
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Sorry mate. Was only joking. I’d be surprised if this joint doesn’t have wifi
marc71178
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Not a good comparison. Ponting has a long spell when he was the best in the world.
Burgey
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As for DK, man he was cricket to me and to basically everyone as child in the 70s and early 80s. He was the template for the modern fast bowler, the model on which they've all been based and compared to since. And, as he would admit himself, improved upon.
Tearaway at the start - seriously quick. If you don't htink so, watch the highlights of his bowling against the ROW in 71-72. Then a serious injury, the recovery from which he pioneered. Came back smarter and harder. The period 74-77 with Thommo was like Johnson and Harris in 13/14 but on steroids. No helmets, no quarter. No hope. They bounced everyone. Repeatedly. DGAF. There would have been no WSC without Lillee. If he hadn't gone it wouldn't happen. He was the biggest name in cricket at the time - more than the Chappells, any of the Windies, Poms, Kiwis or guys from the SC.
The Zapata mustache, shirt undone to the navel, the long hair, heart bigger than even Siddle's. The attitude. He was the Viv of bowlers - just had a massive presence like no other. When they clashed it was like nothing else I've seen on a cricket field, albeit your impressions as a kid are always skewed. He had such a great action. Hadlee modeled himself on Lillee and you can understand why. Not just this action, but his mantra - when things got hard he'd think "Lillee", and ask himself what DK would do.
Blokes who played with and against him still revere him. Viv rated him highest of those he played against and feared him most when it was flat and the ball doing nothing, because he'd never give up and would find a way He taught Marshall how to bowl a leg cutter, ffs. He's one of the blokes you can see on highlights thinking blokes out. The way he nailed Boycott with an off cutter without playing a shot in 79-80 after bowling nothing but leg cutters to him for about 90 minutes, or how he bowled a couple of outies to Viv on that day in Melbourne before tailing the last ball in to catch the edge and bowl him. **** he was smart. Smart and dangerous. His bowling in the Centenary Test was incredible. Rolling England for less than 100 then grinding them out in the second dig when the pitch flattened out. Amazing. How Randall got MOTM ahead of him is still a mystery.
Became a grumpy old man after WSC (can sympathize) and his behaviour at times was ordinary - the Miandad stoush, the aluminium bat throwing, bouncing Kim Hughes constantly in the nets because he thought Marsh should have been skipper, trashing a dressing room with Botham after a Shield game. All black marks against him. But what a bowler. Some of my fondest memories as a kid are of going to the cricket, being on the Hill at the SCG and getting his autograph. They way he brooded at fine leg, thinking about the next over. Flicking the sweat off the forehead with the index finger, just like every kid in Australia did to copy him. Then he'd bowl and the crowd would go up with the chant. Still gives me goose bumps. What a cricketer he was.Then in retirement, has given shitloads back to aspiring fast bowlers the world over. Always generous with his knowledge and experience. He's a proper legend.
Apologies for the long post. He was my childhood hero has a cricket loving kid. IMO he's still the standard by which others are judged. Some are better, the vast majority aren't.
Tearaway at the start - seriously quick. If you don't htink so, watch the highlights of his bowling against the ROW in 71-72. Then a serious injury, the recovery from which he pioneered. Came back smarter and harder. The period 74-77 with Thommo was like Johnson and Harris in 13/14 but on steroids. No helmets, no quarter. No hope. They bounced everyone. Repeatedly. DGAF. There would have been no WSC without Lillee. If he hadn't gone it wouldn't happen. He was the biggest name in cricket at the time - more than the Chappells, any of the Windies, Poms, Kiwis or guys from the SC.
The Zapata mustache, shirt undone to the navel, the long hair, heart bigger than even Siddle's. The attitude. He was the Viv of bowlers - just had a massive presence like no other. When they clashed it was like nothing else I've seen on a cricket field, albeit your impressions as a kid are always skewed. He had such a great action. Hadlee modeled himself on Lillee and you can understand why. Not just this action, but his mantra - when things got hard he'd think "Lillee", and ask himself what DK would do.
Blokes who played with and against him still revere him. Viv rated him highest of those he played against and feared him most when it was flat and the ball doing nothing, because he'd never give up and would find a way He taught Marshall how to bowl a leg cutter, ffs. He's one of the blokes you can see on highlights thinking blokes out. The way he nailed Boycott with an off cutter without playing a shot in 79-80 after bowling nothing but leg cutters to him for about 90 minutes, or how he bowled a couple of outies to Viv on that day in Melbourne before tailing the last ball in to catch the edge and bowl him. **** he was smart. Smart and dangerous. His bowling in the Centenary Test was incredible. Rolling England for less than 100 then grinding them out in the second dig when the pitch flattened out. Amazing. How Randall got MOTM ahead of him is still a mystery.
Became a grumpy old man after WSC (can sympathize) and his behaviour at times was ordinary - the Miandad stoush, the aluminium bat throwing, bouncing Kim Hughes constantly in the nets because he thought Marsh should have been skipper, trashing a dressing room with Botham after a Shield game. All black marks against him. But what a bowler. Some of my fondest memories as a kid are of going to the cricket, being on the Hill at the SCG and getting his autograph. They way he brooded at fine leg, thinking about the next over. Flicking the sweat off the forehead with the index finger, just like every kid in Australia did to copy him. Then he'd bowl and the crowd would go up with the chant. Still gives me goose bumps. What a cricketer he was.Then in retirement, has given shitloads back to aspiring fast bowlers the world over. Always generous with his knowledge and experience. He's a proper legend.
Apologies for the long post. He was my childhood hero has a cricket loving kid. IMO he's still the standard by which others are judged. Some are better, the vast majority aren't.
Days of Grace
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Brilliant write-up, Burgey.
And no worries, I was only joking as well. Enjoy the trip to Fiji. Ever thought of coming to Japan?
And no worries, I was only joking as well. Enjoy the trip to Fiji. Ever thought of coming to Japan?
Burgey
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Yeah I’d like to. We’ve been talking about getting up there and sampling the boiled rice wares of that bloke who’s spent 70 years doing nothing else.
Japan seems a really popular destination for Aussies atm. Know a heap of people who’ve been, and they’ve all had a great time.
Japan seems a really popular destination for Aussies atm. Know a heap of people who’ve been, and they’ve all had a great time.
Days of Grace
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No.8
Imran Khan (Pakistan) 906
Quality Points: 787
Career Points: 119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9Pslhkp9c
Career: 1971-1992
Wickets: 362
Gold Performances: 6
6/102 vs. Australia at Sydney 1977 (15.85)
8/58 vs. Sri Lanka at Lahore 1982 (16.96)
8/60 vs. India at Karachi 1982 (17.81)
6/35 vs. India at Hyderabad (Sind) 1983 (17.38)
7/40 vs. England at Leeds 1987 (17.85)
7/80 vs. West Indies at Georgetown 1988 (16.90)
Silver Performances: 9
Bronze Performances: 11
Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 22.19 (22.81) 52.54 (53.75) 5.21 (rank 18)
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1980-1986): 15.16 41.51 6.77 (rank 2)
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.99 57.30 4.81 (rank 31)
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 22.22 51.01 5.00 (rank 20)
The first bowler in the 900s, Imran Khan's long career and outstanding peak, where he averaged a touch over 15.00 for 6 years, are the main reasons why he is ranked at no.8. In fact, from 1977 to 1988, a full career for most fast bowlers, he took 315 wickets in 66 matches at adj. 20.43 with a PPI of 5.88. This would earn him a rating of 937.
In his other 22 matches, played at the bookends of his career when he was either a medium-pacer or an aging batting-allrounder, he only took 47 wickets at adj. 33.96 with a PPI of 2.74. It is ultimately these 22 matches that cost Imran a place higher up the list. However, many bowlers started too early or played on for too long. Without question, though, he is Pakistan's greatest cricketer. It is hard to imagine any future contender playing as long as he did or matching his phenomenal peak. And he could bat a bit as well, having an estimated batting rating of 581.
Imran Khan (Pakistan) 906
Quality Points: 787
Career Points: 119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9Pslhkp9c
Career: 1971-1992
Wickets: 362
Gold Performances: 6
6/102 vs. Australia at Sydney 1977 (15.85)
8/58 vs. Sri Lanka at Lahore 1982 (16.96)
8/60 vs. India at Karachi 1982 (17.81)
6/35 vs. India at Hyderabad (Sind) 1983 (17.38)
7/40 vs. England at Leeds 1987 (17.85)
7/80 vs. West Indies at Georgetown 1988 (16.90)
Silver Performances: 9
Bronze Performances: 11
Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 22.19 (22.81) 52.54 (53.75) 5.21 (rank 18)
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1980-1986): 15.16 41.51 6.77 (rank 2)
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.99 57.30 4.81 (rank 31)
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 22.22 51.01 5.00 (rank 20)
The first bowler in the 900s, Imran Khan's long career and outstanding peak, where he averaged a touch over 15.00 for 6 years, are the main reasons why he is ranked at no.8. In fact, from 1977 to 1988, a full career for most fast bowlers, he took 315 wickets in 66 matches at adj. 20.43 with a PPI of 5.88. This would earn him a rating of 937.
In his other 22 matches, played at the bookends of his career when he was either a medium-pacer or an aging batting-allrounder, he only took 47 wickets at adj. 33.96 with a PPI of 2.74. It is ultimately these 22 matches that cost Imran a place higher up the list. However, many bowlers started too early or played on for too long. Without question, though, he is Pakistan's greatest cricketer. It is hard to imagine any future contender playing as long as he did or matching his phenomenal peak. And he could bat a bit as well, having an estimated batting rating of 581.
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stephen
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Hmm well 2/3 so far.
Burgey
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Big effort from a bloke who was primarily a batsman, based on what he did out here 
His efforts while playing for NSW in the 80s are still the stuff of legend around inner city nightclubs. State players made careers on the after dinner circuit with tales about his exploits, and who ended up with which cast off.
His efforts while playing for NSW in the 80s are still the stuff of legend around inner city nightclubs. State players made careers on the after dinner circuit with tales about his exploits, and who ended up with which cast off.
smash84
The Tiger King
I should probably do a write up on Imran the bowler, just like burgey did for Lillie but it's late here. It is hard for an individual not growing up in Pakistan in the 1980s to fathom just how incredibly influential a figure Imran has been to Pakistanis. There hasn't quite anyone been like Imran in Pakistan's history. Very few like him in the world even. Hollywood star looks, with great athleticism and skill, earned through sheer hard work made him one of the greatest ever on the cricket field. Made cricket very popular among Pakistanis and certainly had a huge female following globally. Started off as a trundler and a spud with the bat but with sheer hard work became and express fast bowler and could more than hold his own in batting in the pakistan side. His lithe bounding run, was a sight to behold. As sunny gavaskar put it so well, "Imran Khan running in to bowl, is a sight for God's"
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jaideep
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I agree with this.Strike rate for batsman is far less important compared to bowlers in tests.