DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1

[TheBrand]

So Vettori misses out on the top 100 I'm guessing? That's pretty crazy.

 

[stephen]

So Vettori misses out on the top 100 I'm guessing? That's pretty crazy.

Maybe but remember that this list rewards performance more than career length. Vettori played for a long time and had a very middling record for much of that time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

So Vettori misses out on the top 100 I'm guessing? That's pretty crazy.

not really . . . you really think Vettori should be in the top 100 bowlers of all time?

 

[TheBrand]

Maybe but remember that this list rewards performance more than career length. Vettori played for a long time and had a very middling record for much of that time.

Yeah that makes sense actually.

 

[TheBrand]

not really . . . you really think Vettori should be in the top 100 bowlers of all time?

Yeah. I do. Probably in the 90-100 alongside Lyon but yep.

 

[Days of Grace]

I can confirm that Vettori just missed the cut. I don't think that's a spoiler at this stage.


101 BR Taylor 649
102 GR Dilley 647
103 Shakib Al Hasan 647
104 Iqbal Qasim 643
105 J Briggs 642
106 DL Vettori 641
107 TG Southee 641
108 J Srinath 640
109 SJ Harmison 640
110 MHN Walker 639

 

[smash84]

shakib misses it too, rightly so imo

 

[Days of Grace]

Shakib will get there eventually.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah. I do. Probably in the 90-100 alongside Lyon but yep.

Fair enough. Personally I think he's well below Lyon as a bowler, and I don't really rate Lyon.

 

[straw man]

Great thread btw DoG, I don't have much to add but have enjoyed reading through it.

 

[Migara]

I can confirm that Vettori just missed the cut. I don't think that's a spoiler at this stage.


101 BR Taylor 649
102 GR Dilley 647
103 Shakib Al Hasan 647
104 Iqbal Qasim 643
105 J Briggs 642
106 DL Vettori 641
107 TG Southee 641
108 J Srinath 640
109 SJ Harmison 640
110 MHN Walker 639

Abdul Qadir?

 

[Days of Grace]

Abdul Qadir is at 117
Harold Larwood is at 121

 

[Borges]

Or Kumble or Anderson. But Ashwin more so. The others all have serious fans, but hardly anyone rates Ashwin around here, so everyone is gonna be grumpy.

I think DoG's evaluation tends to give extra credit to bowlers who have played a significant role in winning games for their teams, particularly games against quality opposition.
It should not come as a surprise that Kumble, Anderson and Ashwin would do well.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Abdul Qadir is at 117
Harold Larwood is at 121

Subhash Gupte?

 

[Days of Grace]

Subhash Gupte?

I`ll just post 101-200. Keep in mind that I have only completed a fraction of these. The remainder are incomplete, i.e. their averages and strike-rates have not been fully standardized and their PPIs, non-home and quality opposition stats are an estimate.

101 BR Taylor 649
102 GR Dilley 647
103 Shakib Al Hasan 647
104 Iqbal Qasim 643
105 J Briggs 642
106 DL Vettori 641
107 TG Southee 641
108 J Srinath 640
109 SJ Harmison 640
110 MHN Walker 639
111 Mushtaq Ahmed 639
112 C Blythe 637
113 W Voce 637
114 KAJ Roach 636
115 SP Gupte 635
116 S Ramadhin 632
117 Abdul Qadir 628
118 CC Griffith 623
119 CM Old 623
120 AL Valentine 621
121 H Larwood 617
122 BW Hilfenhaus 616
123 TJ Goddard 615
124 Mohammed Shami 614
125 ST Finn 614
126 CS Martin 608
127 K Higgs 608
128 DG Cork 607
129 GG Arnold 603
130 M Hendrick 602
131 MH Mankad 602
132 RO Collinge 599
133 JO Holder 599
134 AA Mallett 599
135 GOB Allen 598
136 KA Maharaj 597
137 Abdur Rehman 596
138 MDK Perera 595
139 WE Bowes 594
140 DJ Nash 592
141 SB Doull 592
142 PS de Villiers 591
143 Sarfraz Nawaz 590
144 PR Reiffel 588
145 B Yardley 586
146 Umar Gul 586
147 ST Gabriel 586
148 PJ Cummins 584
149 AN Connolly 583
150 I Sharma 582
151 A Flintoff 581
152 W Rhodes 581
153 JJ Ferris 581
154 RM Hogg 579
155 KCG Benjamin 578
156 GS Sobers 577
157 PP Ojha 577
158 A Nel 576
159 Mohammad Amir 576
160 BP Patterson 575
161 NJN Hawke 572
162 MS Panesar 571
163 DR Doshi 571
164 IK Pathan 571
165 R Peel 570
166 DW Fleming 569
167 AA Mailey 568
168 RC Motz 568
169 FJ Titmus 568
170 DK Morrison 567
171 JV Saunders 566
172 MA Noble 565
173 TE Bailey 565
174 SL Malinga 565
175 M Dillon 565
176 JL Pattinson 563
177 JE Taylor 561
178 DJ Brown 561
179 AW Greig 560
180 JK Lever 560
181 DA Allen 559
182 RJ Sidebottom 559
183 PR Adams 557
184 SLV Raju 556
185 IWG Johnson 556
186 PAJ DeFreitas 555
187 JM Gregory 555
188 BL Cairns 554
189 H Ironmonger 554
190 UT Yadav 552
191 D Bishoo 552
192 Mushtaq Mohammad 551
193 JH Kallis 550
194 JEC Franklin 549
195 B Kumar 549
196 EJ Chatfield 548
197 G Dymock 547
198 FH Edwards 547
199 AP Freeman 545
200 Pervez Sajjad 545
201 CD Collymore 543
202 RWV Robins 541
203 CL Vincent 539
204 MS Kasprowicz 538
205 GA Faulkner 537
206 KD Ghavri 537
207 MJ Procter 535
208 NA Foster 533
209 Wahab Riaz 533
210 CR Miller 532
211 BA Stokes 531
212 S Venkataraghavan 530
213 Tauseef Ahmed 529
214 PT Collins 529
215 RG Nadkarni 528
216 GE Gomez 528
217 Intikhab Alam 526
218 FR Spofforth 525
219 Shabbir Ahmed 524
220 LS Pascoe 524
221 DE Malcolm 524
222 AEE Vogler 523
223 A Cotter 522
224 Khan Mohammad 522
225 Asif Iqbal 521
226 DVP Wright 521
227 ERH Toshack 520
228 VA Holder 520
229 R Illingworth 519
230 J Cowie 515
231 PS Heine 514
232 DR Tuffey 514
233 GJ Gilmour 513
234 S Sreesanth 513
235 SP Jones 512
236 WKM Benjamin 512
237 CR Woakes 511
238 MM Ali 507
239 WJ Whitty 507
240 R Appleyard 505
241 NS Yadav 505
242 CRD Fernando 505
243 BKV Prasad 503
244 Junaid Khan 503
245 PH Edmonds 502
246 Mohammad Rafique 502
247 BR Knight 502
248 A Mishra 499
249 KTGD Prasad 498
250 R Gilchrist 498

 

[Starfighter]

229 J Cowie 515

That answers that question

 

[Days of Grace]

No.20

Wasim Akram (Pakistan) 828

Quality Points: 710
Career Points: 118

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFgfhwnLS2w

Career: 1985-2002
Wickets: 414
Gold Performances: 4
6/91 vs. West Indies at Faisalabad 1986 (15.17)
5/45 vs. New Zealand at Hamilton 1993 (16.56)
7/119 vs. New Zealand at Wellington 1994 (15.27)
5/63 vs. Australia at Karachi 1994 (15.24)
Silver Performances: 7
Bronze Performances:15

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 23.71 (23.62) 55.91 (54.65) 4.52 (rank 39)
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1989-1994): 19.77 46.57 6.41 (rank 20)
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.36 57.91 4.59 (rank 32)
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 23.65 53.82 4.46 (rank 38)

The greatest left-arm fast bowler of all-time according to this analysis, Wasim Akram is a favorite amongst many 18-39 year-old fans when it comes to picking greatest XIs. This is probably due to his variety as both a southpaw and the fact that he could bowl six different deliveries in an over with the magic ball that makes it onto youtube highlights. But Wasim still averaged near 24 runs per wicket; great, but not quite enough to get near the top 10. He has a relatively low PPI (rank 61) against quality opposition, which suggests that he rarely bowled Pakistan to victory against the stronger teams of his era.

 

[Starfighter]

Waqar > Wasim confirmed.

 

[ankitj]

Abdul Qadir is at 117
Harold Larwood is at 121

That's small justification for my refusal to pick Larwood in ATG England XI. I think it's time to give Anderson his deserved place in ATG England bowling lineup alongside Trueman, Barnes, Laker and Botham.

 

[Starfighter]

I reckon Wasim's low PPI has something to do with his high proportion of tail end wickets.

That's small justification for my refusal to pick Larwood in ATG England XI. I think it's time to give Anderson his deserved place in ATG England bowling lineup alongside Trueman, Barnes, Laker and Botham.

No.

Frankly, I'd still take Willis ahead of Anderson.