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CW decides the greatest test spinner ever. 43 names: Countdown/Rankings thread

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
Summarising the above posts, here's an extract from that list as it currently stands:

27. Adam Zampa
28. Sachin Tendulkar
29. Bishen Bedi
30. Lance Gibbs
31. Jim Laker
32. Lasith Malinga
33. Ravindra Jadeja
34. AB de Villiers
35. Subhash Gupte
36. Rangana Herath
37. Shoaib Akhtar
38. Sanath Jayasuriya
39. Derek Underwood
40. Arihant Shekhawat
41. Kevin Pietersen
42. Clarrie Grimmett

Benaud and Verity are at 46 and 47. Akram at 17. O'Reilly at 23.
 

Bijed

International Regular
Some good comments in that list too:


On Graeme Swann:

Look at his 6 wickets recently - no-one has done this for decades! Best spinner in the world at the moment by far
Didn't realise no-one had taken a 6-fer for decades before he came along


Sachin Tendulkar:

A FIELDER CACH THE BOWL AND SACHIN WAS OUT
Glad they grasped the object of the exercise


Ravindra Jadeja


He bowls fat with spin
Clearly they've mixed him up with Ashwin
 

Bijed

International Regular
I literally cant even find his cricinfo profile. I think the guy voting accidentally wrote his own name instead of the cricketer he was voting for.
This list just keeps on giving


Edit: Still ranked higher than Grimmett, Benaud & Verity!
 
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Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think Ojha at 15 and Mishra at 16 are good efforts too, and 45 Axar, 46 Parveez Rasool (I haven't heard that name for a while). Some more choice comments:

33: Jadeja said:
He bowls fat with spin
I thought that was Herath.

28: Tendulkar said:
SACHIN IS NOT GOOD
Hear, hear!

19: Hafeez said:
You should more improve your bowling action
This guy gets it.

12: Mr Overrated said:
Shane Warne even admitted that Abdul Qadir was his inspiration. As for Anil frog face kumble couldn't even spin the ball
You tell 'em!

25: Tahir said:
Proud SA spinner got decent amount of turn and so does his hairstyle
I never knew Tahir's hair turned.

10: Narine said:
He chucks but I love him
At least this fellow's honest.
 

Coronis

International Coach
His face is really disgusting.Chucked when putting doosra balls.
There are some wise posts though.

Warne was a master of getting into the batsmans mind and a hugely talented spinner who took wickets everywhere without too much bend in his elbows, the best of the modern game but the best of all time? Clarrie grimmet may have something to say.
 

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Shame cricinfo don't seem to have comments on their website anymore. I don't think any of these is a match for

100 for Kohli, 69 for Anushka
... I spotted on some Kohli article long back.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The fast bowler's list has a few gems to. Nos. 42, 45, 46 and 47 in particular, as well as Shane Watson at 12, Brett Lee at 3, Praveen at 22, Mortaza at 27 and Afridi at 35. I don't think these people know anything about cricket.
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
#2nd. Bill O'Reilly, 631 points




Featured on 34 of 35 lists
Highest finish: 1st (8 times)
Ranking within spin discipline: 2nd of 16 (Leg Break Googly)
Test WPM ranking: 4th of 43 (5.33)




Narrowly edging out Murali by ~20 points for 2nd place and finishing as the second best aussie, leggie and overall spinner in this countdown. We all know who came first.

Bradman rated Tiger O'Reilly as the best bowler the game had ever seen. This despite the two having a tense, cold relationship due to conflicting personalities, religions and lifestyles(though there was still mutual respect). His leg breaks and googlies were delivered at close to medium pace from a long-run up. O'Reilly hurled his leggies down like a spear, cutting through the air and jumping off the pitch. Flight be damned. O'Reilly bowled mainly in the 1930s which as I've mentioned several times already was not a friendly era for bowlers. In an age where countless batting records were being regularly broken O'Reilly refused to submit and came out on top in nearly every battle he entered. He averaged a mere 22, went for less than 2 an over and took 144 wickets in his 27 tests at a WPM not far behind his peer Grimmett. The two leggies with very contrasting styles held together Australia's bowling attack during this decade.

O'Reilly was Mr Consistent. He averaged sub 20 against NZ and South Africa and his overall away record was just 21. He played nearly all his tests against England and only went for 25.3 against them, against the might of Hammond and Hutton. He took a virtually forgotten 27 wickets during the bodyline series, which was only his second series. Larwood stole the show on the other side with 33 scalps but O'Reilly certainly made a name for himself during this time when everyone's attention was elsewhere. Next ashes he did even better, taking 28 including two 7 fers. He took over 20 wickets in each of the 4 ashes series he featured in and always topped the wickets column on the aussie side. Alongside Bradman he was the key man in keeping the urn generally on the sunny side of the equator.

O'Reilly came from humble bush cricket beginnings and being the youngest of 5 boys he spent long hours bowling and not doing much batting in the backyard tests, older brothers being older brothers. I'm sure he ended up thankful for that.
 
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Daemon

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Haha I never realised O'Reilly took the 2nd most wickets in Bodyline. That too while Grimmet only managed 5.
 

Bolo

State Captain
Clearly 21 places too high.

In seriousness, he gets a lot of love for someone with such a small track record. He deserves a lot of love, but it's still worth noting.
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
#1st. Shane Warne, 652 points



Featured on 35 of 35 lists
Highest finish: 1st (10 times)
Ranking within spin discipline: 1st of 16 (Leg Break Googly)
Test WPM ranking: 9th of 43 (4.88)


Though he featured near the bottom of one, Warne made it onto every single list and was the only man to do so. This is what helped him narrowly edge out O'Reilly and Murali and claim the gold in this countdown. He finished 1st on 6 less lists than Murali but still pipped his rival in the end. A worthy winner IMO.

After Bradman you'd have to say Warne is the most iconic Australian cricketer. His career was full of off-field drama, from his diuretics ban to the bookie scandal, to various affairs and texting dramas. He said the wrong thing several times in interviews and articles and now his commentary career is a bit of a joke tbqh. Though to me he's a bit of a lovable fool off the field. But on the field he was absolutely all business and an absolute student of the game. His IQ went up 20 points with the ball in hand and he was a master at figuring out how to best dismiss a batsman.

Warne exerted almost no energy in his run-up. He walked in casually and then rolled his arm over with a grunt. The ball would often do magic from there and we've all seen the countless wonder balls he produced, with the standard leg break and flippers(at the beginning of his career) being his best weapons. He made leg-spin ***y again in a time when it was almost a lost art and inspired countless young kids to emulate his action. When Warner and Smith bowl their part time leggies it's obvious who they based their actions off. Warne is the owner of the 'ball of the century', easily the most famous test delivery ever bowled. He was the first to take 700 test wickets with a ball almost as good as the ball of the century which put him on the map years earlier. Warne had some amazing performances in high profile World Cup matches, including winning Man of the Match in the '96 Semi, '99 Semi and '99 Final. 3 out of the 5 WC knockout games he played in he stole the show. He scored the most test runs without scoring a century after dramatically falling for 99. Fame and controversy followed Warne wherever he went, it was quite ridiculous. His test career was a soap opera and even after it there was still his high profile relationship with Liz Hurley, his rant against Steve Waugh on a reality TV show and a running feud with Marlon Samuels including a famous and hilarious incident in the big bash.

His 195 ashes wickets is a record that I can't see ever being topped. And he had to compete with McGrath for so many of those wickets. From the initial ball of the century to the 40 wickets he took in 2005 he pretty much dominated England whenever he got the chance to play them. They were responsible for his test best of 8/71 and his only test hat-trick. Granted it was a weak time for English cricket(perhaps in part to having to bat against Warne so often), but he performed equally good against other sides. Against the 9 test nations he played against he averaged under 30 overall against all but one of them, that being India. He played most of those tests in India and averaged over 40 there. They possessed Sachin, VVS and Dravid and were the best players of spin during Warne's career. In the West Indies he also did poorly, averaging 37. This included a rare and famous occurrence of him being dropped in the 1999 series after Lara had taken him apart. Interesting that his two biggest failures came against the very best, Sachin and Lara. This did little to deter him and he bounced back from the '99 dropping with the back-to-back MOM performances in the '99 WC Semi and Final. His return after his one year ban for diuretics resulted in an amazing 26 wicket series winning away performance against Sri Lanka in just 3 tests. You couldn't keep Warnie down.

He had so many notable moments and is so well regarded that it may come as a bit of surprise that his test average was 25. Quite a fair bit higher than many others who are considered lesser spinners than him. I don't think it's even in the top 10 for this list. But Warne was happy to leak a boundary if it meant he could get a batsman playing shots. He'd much rather have conceded a boundary than a single which meant he had to devise a new plan for the new striker. There's a famous clip of him serving up a crappy flipper to Daryl Cullinan, gifting him a four and lulling him into a false sense of security(sorry for the cliche). Richie Benaud forewarns on commentary with 'now that seems to be the one he shows them'. A few balls later and he rips in a much deadlier version of the flipper and clean bowls his man. His demolition of Daryl's psyche and test reputation is well documented. He bowled KP round his legs to spark a day 5 collapse and shock Aussie win at Adelaide in '06 after KP had said on record 'Warne will never bowl me round my legs'.

Everything just seemed to come up Warne and here he is winning this countdown. Well done Warnie.
 
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Absolute master. Don't think I've ever enjoyed watching a bowler more than Warne.
 

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