TheJediBrah
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Reported all of you for harassment
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CW decides the greatest test spinner ever. 43 names: Countdown/Rankings thread
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cnerd123
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Why can't you just see the good in people? You need Jesus.
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Migara
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People who reject scientific evidence belong to a group called "Flat earth society". They use similar arguments.
cnerd123
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I question the science used by the ICC and their reporting/testing procedures, especially now since they're no longer using the original lab that came up with the methodology, and there is a lack of transparency on what is being done.
However, it makes no sense to hold Murali's action against him when the ICC cleared him as fit to bowl. As the saying goes - 'don't hate the player, hate the game'. His action was deemed legal by the governing body of the cricket he played in. Subjective definitions of throwing are irrelevant, and if any other player could replicate his action it they would be allowed to do so. He gained no unfair advantage.
If you perceive there to be politics involved behind said rule-making then it still doesn't make sense to hold that against the player - he had no role in the politics between administrators. We don't hold it against players for benefiting from other laws changes - bats, DRS, LBW Law, Bodyline, etc - so why make an exception for Murali?
This isn't even the same as when we leave off know match-fixers like Azhar, Cronje, even Amir/Asif from these discussions. Those people damaged the integrity of the game for money. That's nothing at all like bowling with a weird wonky action that then gets deemed as legal. Not even in the same ball park.
It's just illogical at every level.
However, it makes no sense to hold Murali's action against him when the ICC cleared him as fit to bowl. As the saying goes - 'don't hate the player, hate the game'. His action was deemed legal by the governing body of the cricket he played in. Subjective definitions of throwing are irrelevant, and if any other player could replicate his action it they would be allowed to do so. He gained no unfair advantage.
If you perceive there to be politics involved behind said rule-making then it still doesn't make sense to hold that against the player - he had no role in the politics between administrators. We don't hold it against players for benefiting from other laws changes - bats, DRS, LBW Law, Bodyline, etc - so why make an exception for Murali?
This isn't even the same as when we leave off know match-fixers like Azhar, Cronje, even Amir/Asif from these discussions. Those people damaged the integrity of the game for money. That's nothing at all like bowling with a weird wonky action that then gets deemed as legal. Not even in the same ball park.
It's just illogical at every level.
the big bambino
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At least flat is straight.
Borges
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Don't try to defend a crass chucker.
You appear to be doing it only to denigrate my beloved hero Warne, May I humbly point out that what you are doing not only unjust, but also undeniably racist.
TheJediBrah
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Don't start this again. There was nothing scientific about the ICC testing. It was public relations stunt, not a controlled test.
We should all just move on though, he was a great cricketer regardless of whether you think he chucked or not. If you had given everyone else freedom to chuck they still wouldn't be as good at it as Murali was.
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the big bambino
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But didn't you see the metal brace? Its shiny.
cnerd123
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everyone does have the freedom to 'chuck' the way Murali did tho. No one has even come remotely close to his level of success. The man was a freak.
Starfighter
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Did you even read his comment?
cnerd123
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Yea he said 'if you had given everyone else the freedom to chuck', implying they didn't already have the same freedoms that Murali did. That's how I read it anyways. So I had to point out that technically they did, and still do. It isn't a Law unique to Murali, the standards for throwing apply to everyone equally.
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Yeah, I've never looked at Ashwin as someone who "rips it".
Starfighter
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I think he turned his leg break more here, when he was desperate when getting taken downtown by Joe Burns of all people.
cnerd123
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Peak Ashwin gets a lot of revs on the ball, but there is only so much you can accomplish as a finger spinner. Surfaces overseas tend to be unfavourable, but I have seen him turn the ball in England SA and Australia. Ofc when he's getting hit around then the action falls apart and the ball stops spinning, but that isn't to say he can't do it, more that he can't sustain it when conditions don't suit him.
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Starfighter
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Doesn't get anywhere near as many as Swann or Lyon. Comparatively little hip drive and pivot either.