flibbertyjibber
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Rejigging mine now, was in a rush when I did it. hope I can still edit it.
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CW chooses the best test spinner ever (50 names, but you only submit a list of 20)
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trundler
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Yeah, we know your inclusion of Warne was as forced as TJB picking Murali.
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1. Muralitharan
2. Warne
3. O'Reilly
4. Briggs
5. Benaud
6. Laker
7. Kumble
8. Gibbs
9. Grimmett
10. Tayfield
11. Verity
12. Ashwin
13. Lyon
14. Ironmonger
15. Peel
16. Herath
17. Trumble
18. Vettori
19. Underwood
20. Harbhajan
NB: list does not reflect my actual opinion entirely; I give my algorithm a vote in these things. Fairly recently updated list here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rmR0F6hmKyJEiX9AdbRJyxqnl8WU_sZvK5SbDe109OA/edit#gid=0
2. Warne
3. O'Reilly
4. Briggs
5. Benaud
6. Laker
7. Kumble
8. Gibbs
9. Grimmett
10. Tayfield
11. Verity
12. Ashwin
13. Lyon
14. Ironmonger
15. Peel
16. Herath
17. Trumble
18. Vettori
19. Underwood
20. Harbhajan
NB: list does not reflect my actual opinion entirely; I give my algorithm a vote in these things. Fairly recently updated list here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rmR0F6hmKyJEiX9AdbRJyxqnl8WU_sZvK5SbDe109OA/edit#gid=0
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Migara
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Identify outliers! decide wether to keep them or not.
ankitj
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There are no bowlers in the spreadsheet.
Migara
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Having said that, Kumble never got a royal thrashing from any one. Guy troubled Lara to great extent, and even Tendulklar was not the most fluent against him. Same with Saqlain (the Shewag thrashing of a half fit Saqlain don't count), never had a thrashing. But when they were not in zone everyone scored off them. When they were in zone, even the best found it very difficult.
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Scroll right.
ankitj
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Cool. How did McGrath jump to #1. IIRC Murali and Ambrose were top 2 in earlier versions of your ranking.
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He improved 'em of course.
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A combination of it more accurately rating the strength of opposition batting lineups, and it now having some sort of offset for the estimated 'flatness' of pitches when batting or bowling at home (eg. it's decided McGrath bowled on comparatively flat pitches at home a fair bit, it seems).
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Warne and Imran both ended up in the top five after the next major formula update, but that one is a lot of work so you may not see it for a while. It'd blow my mind a bit if I accidentally made a statistical case for Warne being better than Murali after years arguing the opposite on here, but I don't suspect it'll actually quite go that far.
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trundler
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No way Herath is that low. I'd argue Herath>Underwood based on strike rate and quality of pitches.
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There were actually batsmen who could defend in Underwood's time. Strike rate = unreliable.
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But it's a huge gap certainly beyond just era differences. Herath has a fantastic strike rate. It is much more glaring than their differences in economy rates for one, which can be ascribed to different eras. I'd say it's not as big a difference as raw stats suggest but Herath still wins.
ankitj
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The batsmen any bowler faced were also product of the prevailing conditions so I don't think we can make such adjustments. And your argument is the reverse of what we usually say... conditions have been batting friendly in recent decade and a half.
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To me Herath got lucky in that when spots started opening up spin bowling became a lot easier than what it was from about 1980 up until 2010. Over the last 10 years DRS became a factor (so more LBW's were given and it became tougher to out and out play spin), defensive techniques have gone to the dogs and pitch standards have declined a bit too.
He's still a very good bowler, but I feel if he was 10 years older (and was playing for someone else) he wouldn't be rated as highly, for mine.