Weak Ends to A career

[Burgey]

I thought Mr Miyagi had a pretty tame end to his posting career tbh.

 

[jimmy101]

So Miyagi has been banned for good then?

 

[Burgey]

Think he got a year

 

[Daemon]

I thought Mr Miyagi had a pretty tame end to his posting career tbh.

This joke has been made about 3 times. Please do your research TBT.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, but we hadn't made it, so it doesn't count.

 

[Burgey]

Speaking of things which don't count, has anyone heard from ***** today?
- Burgey

 

[jimmy101]

Miyagi will be back, don't think I've ever come across a troll as persistent as him. He's the type who would wait out the year.

 

[Starfighter]

Speaking of things which don't count, has anyone heard from ***** today?
- Burgey

Yesterday

 

[Burgey]

Not before time too. Terrible poster.

 

[Starfighter]

A bit like your face

 

[Burgey]

He should be happy I've finally liked a post about him, if not by him.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Miyagi will be back, don't think I've ever come across a troll as persistent as him. He's the type who would wait out the year.

Probably still viewing the forum, recording and collating every post and will passive aggressively respond to all of them the minute his ban expires

 

[Starfighter]

Probably still viewing the forum, recording and collating every post and will passive aggressively respond to all of them the minute his ban expires

Oh he definitely is. I saw him on the currently active users list yesterday. It turns out that banned users still appear when they're logged in.

 

[Bolo]

Or not ... Sanga played in 9 foreign countries meeting that criteria and averaged btwn 60 to 140 in 6 of them. Coincidentally when his number of tests rises in foreign conditions his average tends to drops. Exactly the opposite to your contention. Besides I don't give Ponting a free pass based on his Zim record. Even with it included he is superior to Sanga. I just make an allowance on the very high likelihood he would have improved it immensely because of the quality of the opposition.

Without a sufficient sample size, normal variance will give you some strange numbers. Some will be very high and some low. Ponting averaged 31 in Zim and 119 in Pak. You can't read anything into either of these based on 1 match. These figures would be closer to inverse than where they currently sit given enough matches.

Re. your second sentence, you can't really draw a trend. Results are all over the place, as you would expect variance to show. He tended to do better in countries with weaker bowling attacks/ easier batting conditions, but variance exists anyway. Not much to see here.

You base one part of your conclusion on a metric (overall away averages) which you then undermine by claiming its individual components are distortions. You think that amalgamating them smooths over the distortions but its simply covers them; as the example with Ponting v India shows. Only when you look beneath the headline average do you find he had difficulty in a specific set of conditions.

Interesting point. I'm trying to smooth over statistical noise though. A distortion in average caused by being bad in a set of conditions is a distortion, but it reflects on quality, and isn't simply an expected expression of probability, as we see with low numbers of matches. Ponting in Zim shows a bad innings. Ponting in India shows a bat with a flaw. That they are given proportional weight to number of innings in overall average is appropriate.

But that is your contradiction not mine. You can rely on data when comparing 2 players of the same era facing the same opponents in the same conditions and playing roughly the same number of matches. which shows Ponting succeeding in more conditions than Sanga. A fact not revealed when you look at the headline averages which in Ponting's case is overly impacted by the proportion of away matches he had in India.

I shouldn't be taking this bait, because I'm not really interested in discussing Sanga vs Ponting anymore, but rather looking at the principle of low matches and using them to illustrate it, but anyway:

On a reasonable cutoff of 10 matches and using 40 as as a magic point, Ponting has failed in 1 country, Sanga in 0.

40 is an arbitrary number for failure. If you define it at 35, Ponting has failed in 2, Sanga 1. @30, Ponting has failed in one, Sanga in 0.

Defining success @ 60, sanga has succeeded in 7 countries, Ponting in 5.

None of this means very much, because noise, but the overall away average tells a story. Alternatively, Asia vs Sena or ROW has some merit. Individual countries doesn't. Pontings played the second most matches ever. Players from most countries will never be able to match this- there are 4 test nations who haven't played anywhere near as many games as him in their history. There are more test nations now than in his time, but ponting still played either 1 or 2 tests in 4 different countries. You can't draw anything from these low numbers, as his record in Zim indicates, and you will be seeing this more and more with modern players. It is simply non-sensensical to nitpick records of modern bats by country anymore, other than by looking at their home country.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

Mahela Jayawardene had a 50+ average for most of his proper career and dipped to 49.84 in his final Test.

 

[Burgey]

Ok

 

[subshakerz]

Javed Miandad coming back from retirement in the World Cup 1996 only to be kicked out in Bangalore against India was just sad. Probably the worst way to end one's career.

Allan Donald was pretty sad, breaking down with injury.

Shoaib Akthar's last match where he got whacked, them sidelined for the Semi-Final against India which Pakistan lost. He was a spent force by then.

 

[wpdavid]

Trott, Bell, Swann.

I think Trott's batting had begun to tail off well before the 2013/14 Ashes, but not so obviously that many people noticed. I remember a conversation during the 2011 series at home to India when this was raised. Maybe never quite the same after the 2010/11 Ashes.

Swann was just one poor series wasn't he? And not exactly 100% fit during that one.

Bell - fair enough, if we're talking about post the 2013 Ashes in England. But there were a lot of lows before his good period too.

 

[wpdavid]

Botham against Pakistan in 1992 was pitiful, a real shame that he played in that series at all.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I don't believe Swann was even very injured, it was just straight up cowardice on his behalf. He just wanted to keep his average below 30, absolutely pissweak