Why has England become so good in ODIs

[Mr Miyagi]

Nah.

Nice to see you fail to back up your assertions again. You're willing to fill up a thread with 300 word posts repeating yourself, but when pressed to back it up respond with just 1 line.

It is like some teams regularly think they've done well to score around 300, only to see England chase it down with ease.

So team batsmen admit like Finch in this recent tour that they went slower than max speed because of worried about losing wickets when not batting deep in their team is not good enough for you (discussed yesterday).

Then 8 wickets down for a total isn't good enough for you.

And then interviews with captains are not good enough for you.

You now want mind reading of batsmen combined with a drop of NRR, (why not as against not increasing the NRR?) when that could be for multiple reasons anyway, just to demonstrate that teams have set par totals what - too low against England of late?

*****, if you want convincing, go convince yourself. You want it, you do it. If you're going to ask every user to meet your particular demands on how they support every "assertion", you're going to be very disappointed.

 

[cnerd123]

If you're going to ask every user to meet your particular demands on how they support every "assertion", you're going to be very disappointed.

Funny, I wonder where I learnt this from.

 

[cnerd123]

Anyways, I'll be waiting for evidence on:

> How often and successfully England have chased down 'above par' scores. You have to prove the 'above par' part, that the team batting first scored a total that would be considered substantial in those conditions (349 is a good example)
> How many of those can justifiably be attributed to #BatDeep (and not just Morgan, Root and Butler being gun ODI batsmen - 349 is a bad example)

In order to be convinced by your assertion that teams often score a big total and are happy with it till England chase it down.

Thanks.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Funny, I wonder where I learnt this from.

Whoever it was obviously didn't teach you what "It is like..." means.

 

[cnerd123]

Whoever it was obviously didn't teach you what "It is like..." means.

All I'm trying to do is talk cricket mate. Don't need to resort to Ad Hominem attacks.

I think you have an interesting point regarding sides being stunned by England's chasing prowess. You just need to elaborate on it a bit more. Gather some data. Maybe start a new thread for it? I think it could be a great discussion

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Anyways, I'll be waiting for evidence on:

> How often and successfully England have chased down 'above par' scores. You have to prove the 'above par' part, that the team batting first scored a total that would be considered substantial in those conditions (349 is a good example)
> How many of those can justifiably be attributed to #BatDeep (and not just Morgan, Root and Butler being gun ODI batsmen - 349 is a bad example)

In order to be convinced by your assertion that teams often score a big total and are happy with it till England chase it down.

Thanks.

3rd ODI (D/N), England tour of Australia and New Zealand at Sydney, Jan 21 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

I'll give you a batdeep setting first one for free seeing you don't want it and didn't ask for it.

 

[cnerd123]

Please provide relevant evidence. Don't waste our time with spam posts.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Lets not forget Smith copped a truly appalling umpiring decision in that game, one of the worst I have ever seen. No way that was even remotely close to a clean catch.

 

[Starfighter]

That was a dire decision that one.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Lol Tim Paine at his finest though, 31* (35) and they fell 16 runs short

 

[marc71178]

Evidence?

Also quit disingenuous to suggest that England are seeking out bowlers who can bat and field. This has been clarified before, but their current bowling attack is actually their best ODI bowling attack regardless of their batting and fielding ability. Those are just happy bonuses that have enabled them to play a certain way. To suggest that this #BatDeep strategy is some sort of genuine policy from the selectors/management and crediting them with success for coming up with it is misleading. That's not what happened, and their management aren't any sort of 'visionaries' laying out some revolutionary new blue print. They just have some good players on hand, and credit should be given for actually picking them and sticking with them. That's basically it.

To be fair I think Willey's place initially came about as a result of his batting exploits (which was in itself a bit stupid as he made those runs opening when there wasn't a vacancy at the top of the order and he's frequently shown himself as not being able to do it late on). That said, his recent performances have started to show him as being capable, so long as he continues in that vein.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Lol Tim Paine at his finest though, 31* (35) and they fell 16 runs short

Captaincy material that innings.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Who cares - they'll still choke in the World Cup.

 

[R!TTER]

Who cares - they'll still choke in the World Cup.

I dunno, they seemed to have passed that suff over to SA & NZ?