Okay, but I still don't get why you'd find it funny given Stokes is not only the better bowler for the death, but the better batsman of the two too. In fact - I said before the game I would possibly drop Ball for Stokes. I don't rate Ball that much as yet, and Stokes could have got through 4 overs I believe. Plunkett, Ball, Stokes, Jordan, Willey with Rashid seemed a tad excessive.
So what do you think of Root being dropped?
Again, not relevant. You keep asking the same irrelevant **** over and over trying to force me to explain and it leads to boring **** discussions that no one is interested in. I'm not saying that Ball is a better bowler than Stokes, where each one bats is irrelevant, I never said or implied that you were wrong about anything specific. I don't know where you get any of this from.
Well they lost didn't they? Not as dumb as dropping him from the ODI side would be. At least I can see the logic behind dropping him from the T20 side
Dude, if you want to make jokes about batting deep and bowling, then determine whether my replies and observations of the batting and bowling abilities (and make up of the side) of the bowlers are not relevant, just don't swear at me, don't even waste your time or my time conversing with me. You obviously only want a one way conversation and care nothing for my observations or points. I'm not interested in having that with you.
I'm simply not interested in a irrelevant conversation devised from your imaginary impressions. Literally all I said was that bowling was important. Don't get offended because I pointed out where your veering into territory that no one is commenting on or particularly cares about.
You deemed 5 seamers and 1 spinner irrelevant. You deemed the batting abilities irrelevant between Stokes and Ball. But you deemed bat deep relevant to bowlers. I don't know where you're going with this. And I no longer care. It seems you just want to make batdeep and bowling jokes that I don't get when I say Stokes (with batting ability) should bowl over the number 11 bunny Ball (because Stokes is a better death bowler), and swear at me. I'm not down for that. Now you're calling these facts and impressions "imaginary". Just don't ruin my experience on the thread please - I am enjoying this thread greatly.
Just respond to what you see on screen and not what you imagine. You say you just want to enjoy the experience then stop inventing arguments in your mind dude!
Oh great, now you're just discussing me again solely and not even attempting to discuss cricket Did noone ever teach you about ad hominem? We're done here. I am not the topic of this cricket thread.
Thank ****. That didn't have to be that painful.
Jordan is still a thing. His figures in his last few T20Is have been awful but I still don't mind him as long as they play six bowling options, because he's definitely one of their best two death bowlers, is an awesome fielder and has the exact sort of batting semi-competence you want from a tailender in T20 cricket (ie. he may not have a long innings in him but if he has to face three or four balls at the end of an innings he strikes like a batsman over that period). Stokes being back makes his role more tenable for mine because he doesn't necessary have to bowl out -- he can just bowl two at the death if they're rolling with six bowling options.
Yeah - he did well in NZ last summer both domestically and internationally. Got an IPL gig and did well in his one game. He's back on the up - but they see him as T20i only.
Yeah - I agree with Jordan over Ball and Wood too, but he's not in the squad.
Wait I thought you were still talking about their T20 side, but having actually read your post properly it seems you moved on to ODIs. My bad.
If Ali isn't trusted to bowl he shouldn't be in the team IMO. Definitely replace him with Hales.
That leaves 10 overs for Stokes and Root. I think England will be tempted to do this, and then replace Woakes with Wood or Ball and leave S Curran out to then have batting at 7 and Willey at 8.
England has a slight problem with the Stokes/Ali/Woakes 6 bowler bat deep combo - whenever one is injured, or not trusted to bowl, their whole team balance is effected in either field or batting as T Curran/S Curran just don't fill their roles with bat and ball.
They're not even playing List A or Blast T20 games these days. They've effectively retired from pyjama cricket for now. (But a surprise comeback for a WC is not entirely out of the equation - but the Ashes are right after).